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re: St. George vs. EBR Parish: Is Overcrowding the Problem with EBR Schools?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:33 am to LSURussian
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:33 am to LSURussian
quote:
I know someone who teaches at what would be a SG elementary school and there are five classes in just her grade at that school.
And that's not overcrowding? Again, i went to a very small private school in pointe coupee parish, growing up. So my opinion of a small/large classroom is probably different from others.
FWIW, i just spent a few minutes on the Rant. I welcome debate here any day of the week, compared to over there. Good Lord, there are some mental midgets there.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am to BugAC
quote:Strawman argument. This thread's point is SG has been neglected because it has fewer schools. I asked what the student-teacher ratio is for SG schools compared to inner city schools. Also, since I've never seen or heard any of the SG proponents complaining about overcrowding of the SG schools, why is the number of schools relevant?
And if overcrowding isn't the issue, then why is the school system so bad?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:37 am to BugAC
quote:No. A larger school does not mean there is overcrowding. It just means there are more classrooms at that school. Overcrowding means too many students in a classroom or there are not enough classrooms to handle the number of students at the school.
And that's not overcrowding?
If you think a larger school = overcrowding, it's useless for me to discuss anything involving logic with you.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
quote:
This thread's point is SG has been neglected because it has fewer schools. I asked what the student-teacher ratio is for SG schools compared to inner city schools. Also, since I've never seen or heard any of the SG proponents complaining about overcrowding of the SG schools, why is the number of schools relevant?
1) Do you have links for the stuff i asked for?
2) Yes, i would like to see that ratio too. I want to see the # of students per school, and a breakdown of students from the SG area. I don't know where to find that information, that's why i'm posing the questions. I included population, simply because that was the information i can get.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:52 am to BugAC
quote:You can find links for most of the information you asked for. Google is your friend. The EBRSS website is a good place to start.
1) Do you have links for the stuff i asked for?
Frankly I'm tired of taking my time to research information and post links only to be called a liar when I post it.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:54 am to dewster
BR City census beginning in 1940. Nothing to brag about after 1980.
YEAR population % increase from previous decade
1940 34,719 13.0%
1950 125,629 261.8%
1960 152,419 21.3%
1970 165,963 8.9%
1980 219,419 32.2%
1990 219,531 0.1%
2000 227,818 3.8%
2010 229,553 0.8%
EBR Parish has had some growth, but not exceptional
1940 88,415 29.6%
1950 158,236 79.0%
1960 230,058 45.4%
1970 285,167 24.0%
1980 366,191 28.4%
1990 380,105 3.8%
2000 412,852 8.6%
2010 440,171 6.6%
YEAR population % increase from previous decade
1940 34,719 13.0%
1950 125,629 261.8%
1960 152,419 21.3%
1970 165,963 8.9%
1980 219,419 32.2%
1990 219,531 0.1%
2000 227,818 3.8%
2010 229,553 0.8%
EBR Parish has had some growth, but not exceptional
1940 88,415 29.6%
1950 158,236 79.0%
1960 230,058 45.4%
1970 285,167 24.0%
1980 366,191 28.4%
1990 380,105 3.8%
2000 412,852 8.6%
2010 440,171 6.6%
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:54 am to LSURussian
quote:
A larger school does not mean there is overcrowding. It just means there are more classrooms at that school. Overcrowding means too many students in a classroom or there are not enough classrooms to handle the number of students at the school.
Again, i come from a school where there were 2 classes per grade. Graduated with 56 people.
I was wondering if they had to form more classes because they had a lot of children. I don't need your condescending remarks simply because I did not know whether the formation of more classrooms were a result of too many students in the school.
But thanks, again, for trying to dismiss when posed a simple fricking question. You do realize, if you'd stop being such a dick about the issue, people would be more receptive to your points. Just like IB Freeman in his movie credits thread, your absolute dismissal of others with different opinions on this issue weaken your arguments.
Now i know you know your stuff on this issue. I Don't think anyone debates that. But you, also, are heavily entrenched on one side.
Oh, and you asked earlier, something to the effect of, "where were the people of st. george refused a vote on a school district". I found the links. Bill sponsored by Bodi White.
LINK
LINK
LINK
quote:
But Sen. Sharon Broome, D-Baton Rouge, predicted that, if the new district becomes reality, it will have a devastating impact on the capital city.
“It still will bankrupt the East Baton Rouge school system,” Broome said.
She said the proposed move also marks the first time that a new school district would be created from a collection of neighborhoods, not a municipality like Central and Zachary.
“We are causing division within our city,” Broome said.
The new system would be called the Southeast Community School District.
Under the plan, 10 schools used by about 6,800 students would be moved from the East Baton Rouge school system to the new setup.
White and other backers contend a new district will pave the way for a top-flight system, much like the Central and Zachary school districts have flourished since breaking away.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:56 am to LSURussian
quote:
Frankly I'm tired of taking my time to research information and post links only to be called a liar when I post it.
Where have i called you a liar? It really isn't hard to post links. I did it right above this thread.
I would think it is a given, if you are going to state something as facts, then you should provide a link to the source.
As of right now, i'm trying to find a link as to why the proposal died in the state senate, and was not even allowed up for discussion.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:01 am to BugAC
And Russian, you have to admit. Despite the outcome out of all this, the St. George proposals are a great thing for the entire Parish. It's got people talking about schools, finally. The spotlight is shining on our terrible public education system. That is a good thing. Even you can give me that, at least. Right?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:07 am to BugAC
quote:That means your school was vastly overcrowded (28 students/teacher) compared to the average Louisiana public school (14.1 students/teacher) in 2011, the most recent year I could find information on. Page 17
Again, i come from a school where there were 2 classes per grade. Graduated with 56 people.
quote:You're welcome. Stop being pissy just because I pointed out you keep asking me for information that you're unwilling to take your time to look up for yourself.
But thanks, again,
quote:I never asked you that. You're getting as bad as d-in-arse saying I've said something I never said.
Oh, and you asked earlier, something to the effect of, "where were the people of st. george refused a vote on a school district".
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:08 am to BugAC
quote:
I would think it is a given, if you are going to state something as facts, then you should provide a link to the source
Typical Russian strategy, post things as facts, and when a poster asks for verification and a link; he goes off on you and calls you a lazy azz.
But Russian's numbers are biased. His budget per capita thread for instance ignored Central City, and used Baker and Zachary instead.
Why? Because these cities provide fire protection and have police forces and water departmetns, etc. Central does not.
Why is this relative? Because SG is planning to be a city much like Central is, and not like Zachary, Baker, or Lake Charles.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:08 am to BugAC
quote:I do agree with that.
The spotlight is shining on our terrible public education system. That is a good thing. Even you can give me that, at least. Right?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:09 am to BugAC
In regards as to why the funding bill for the district was voted down, and not allowed to be brought up for discussion:
Was this because the Parish doesn't have money for the proposed school system?
If so, couldn't failing schools be shut down, and since students will be moving to the proposed new school district, wouldn't this allow for those schools to be shut down with little to no impact?
2 - Why are the failing schools failing? There is the obvious answer of the family impacting the child. In these cases, if not for a strong teacher, then these kids are destined to poverty and crime. Are the teachers in these failing districts part of a union? If so, could the state bring up a vote to disband the union? I would think in Louisiana, that we could definitely get the votes to outweigh a union.
3 - Russian likes to point out that the school system was being "ruled over" previously by the feds (correct me if i'm wrong) and not the EBR Parish school board. If this is so, how long have we been paying board salaries if they have no input on the school system? I believe Russian has said that the EBR Parish board has had control of the schools now for 3-5 years. What changes are they making to the current school system? Are failing schools being evaluated and shut down? I know magnet schools have been poppping up and are highly sought after, is this a result of the new board?
Was this because the Parish doesn't have money for the proposed school system?
If so, couldn't failing schools be shut down, and since students will be moving to the proposed new school district, wouldn't this allow for those schools to be shut down with little to no impact?
2 - Why are the failing schools failing? There is the obvious answer of the family impacting the child. In these cases, if not for a strong teacher, then these kids are destined to poverty and crime. Are the teachers in these failing districts part of a union? If so, could the state bring up a vote to disband the union? I would think in Louisiana, that we could definitely get the votes to outweigh a union.
3 - Russian likes to point out that the school system was being "ruled over" previously by the feds (correct me if i'm wrong) and not the EBR Parish school board. If this is so, how long have we been paying board salaries if they have no input on the school system? I believe Russian has said that the EBR Parish board has had control of the schools now for 3-5 years. What changes are they making to the current school system? Are failing schools being evaluated and shut down? I know magnet schools have been poppping up and are highly sought after, is this a result of the new board?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:11 am to LSURussian
quote:
I never asked you that. You're getting as bad as d-in-arse saying I've said something I never said.
I've stated before, early on (not in this thread) that the st. george people were refused a vote to form a school district. I specifically remember you asking "when did this happen?". I never replied because i could not find the actual link. Instead i posted the statement from the st. george website, which was dismissed (which i see why, as the website is biased to one side). Ergo, I have finally found the link, and posted it for others to see, including you.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:12 am to doubleb
quote:STFU. I didn't "post things as facts." He wanted information.
Typical Russian strategy, post things as facts, and when a poster asks for verification and a link; he goes off on you and calls you a lazy azz.
He asked me to find links for questions he wanted answered.
You can't read.
And, btw in case you missed it, I pointed out your stupid incorrect statement in the other thread where you said Obama was elected president in November, 2009. You can't even get simple dates correct.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:13 am to LSURussian
quote:
That means your school was vastly overcrowded (28 students/teacher) compared to the average Louisiana public school (14.1 students/teacher) in 2011
Good God. Thanks for the info. So how in the hell could our school system be so terrible, with that small ratio? Our school ran fine with 28-30 students per class. With 14, that would seem like a cakewalk for a teacher.
Are the teachers that bad? I know parenting plays an incredibly large part, but you would think with a classroom that small, that teachers would be able to make a difference.
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:19 am to LSURussian
quote:One major issue is the lack of quality of the education for those who are not selected for one of the magnet schools or gifted programs.
What concerns of the SG area residents has the school board failed to address?
quote:No, there are no guarantees change will result in improvement. However, expecting improvement without change is just plain foolish.
And do you think if SG pulls out that is guaranteed to improve the public education system in Baton Rouge or even in SG?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:20 am to LSURussian
quote:
And, btw in case you missed it, I pointed out your stupid incorrect statement in the other thread where you said Obama was elected president in November, 2009. You can't even get simple dates correct.
Thanks for correcting me. It was a typo, but I was wrong.
I have no problem with justified criticism unlike some others around here who are thinned skin and never admit they are wrong.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:20 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:
Yeah. A higher percentage of St. George students are in private schools
Why do you think that is?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:22 am to moneyg
quote:
Why do you think that is?
Exactly. Me and my wife will be having kids soon. It would be nice to have the option to send my school to a very good public school nearby our home. However, at this present moment, if we had a kid of school age, he would be going to private school. It's already budgeted out. And damn is it expensive.
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