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SpaceX Versus the Department of Justice

Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:14 am
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:14 am
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The DOJ is suing SpaceX for focusing its hiring on US citizens and permanent residents. Yes, you read that right.

Semafor: The DOJ alleges that SpaceX discouraged refugees and asylum seekers from applying to open positions and refused to hire those that did, according to the complaint.

According to the complaint, SpaceX job postings wrongly stated that only U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents could apply for openings, and that “SpaceX’s hiring practices were routine, widespread, and longstanding, and harmed asylees and refugees.”

Under U.S. law, both asylum seekers and refugees are protected from hiring discrimination regardless of citizen status.

The lawsuit is bizarre. I am sure Elon would be happy to hire some refugees from the Russian space program. So why does SpaceX advertise that only US citizens and lawful permanent residents can apply for some jobs? Because that’s what they understand the law requires:

People “don’t understand the chilling effect of the federal export control laws” that SpaceX allegedly cited in its job listings as a reason for excluding refugees and asylees as candidates, writes Abhi Tripathi, the director of mission operations at UC Berkeley’s Space Sciences Laboratory. The International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) only allows U.S. citizens and green card holders to access information in companies that make spacecraft and rockets for national security reasons. “Employees are PERSONALLY liable with huge fines and imprisonment if the wrong info gets out,” Tripathi says. It’s unclear which positions SpaceX allegedly refused refugee and asylum applicants for.

Now SpaceX may be wrong about the technicalities of the law, the distinction, as I understand it, rests on the difference between US Persons and US Citizens, but they are 100% correct that the DoD frowns on non-citizens working for military related ventures. As a result, jobs restricted to US citizens are common in industries that interact with the military or that involve technologies which are potentially dual-use, such as jobs at SpaceX. Jobs that require security clearances are, of course, typically restricted to US citizens but so are many jobs not requiring clearances. Here, for example, is an ad for an engineer at Northrup Grumman in aerospace structures that does not require security clearance but advertises US Citizen only. The U.S. military, of course, mandates citizenship or a green card for enlistment, a policy that is shared by another federal employer—can you guess? Surprise. The Department of Justice.

Below, for example, is an ad for a recreational specialist to work for the DOJ’s Bureau of Prisons–this is not a job involving national security!–but the ad states clearly that U.S. Citizenship is Required. Most federal government jobs, in fact, are restricted to US citizens. The Federal Reserve even requires US citizenship to get an internship.

In short, it seems that SpaceX is being singled out for punishment for a practice that is widespread in the industry and often encouraged by, sometimes required by, and usually practiced by the Federal government.



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Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13771 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:31 am to
It is total insanity of course. But I also read that this DOJ investigation started in 2020 when Barr was AG. Serious question: Does Trump bear any responsibility for the terrible people he appointed to very important positions?
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:33 am to
I don't see any part of the government's position as being legitimate.
- Here's a law saying you can't enter illegally
- Asylum is a defense not an excuse for being here illegally
- But you can't discriminate on hiring such people, though they may 100% be criminals, and an asylum seeker is technically a criminal for being here illegally, and if you're going to violate the sovereignty of another nation, you are a security risk
- SpaceX and similar companies sign very specific agreements with the government to insure national security is not compromised
- So the government wants to tell SpaceX to protect national security, tell illegal aliens to not invade our country, but if you do you can't be discriminated against in hiring even in positions with a near 100% guarantee to be related to national security.

There's no logic to this position by the government. Rest assured, if SpaceX hired an asylum seeker and that person turned out to be a true security problem, the government would come down on SpaceX and Elon in a second - and I suspect that there's a SpaceX attorney that has communications from the government saying just that, or a contract or some other item making this clear.

They are targeting Elon due to his acquisition of Twitter. The process is the punishment.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:36 am to
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They are targeting Elon due to his acquisition of Twitter. The process is the punishment.


That's what it boils down to.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13051 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:41 am to
There is zero standing for this DOJ nonsense.

ITAR restricts such hiring in any industry that is even remotely related to national defense, much less an outfit like SpaceX.

Just horse shite thrown at political opponents to muck up their operations and drain their resources.

Anti-American and a real threat to -you know, the thing…
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70324 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:48 am to
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They are targeting Elon due to his acquisition of Twitter. The process is the punishment.


That's what it boils down to.


Basically the govt has cut off the funding of twitter, and now will try to bankrupt it in legal costs

I take solice in the fact the left will spend eternity on fire
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:49 am to
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Does Trump bear any responsibility


Space X, Biden, & DOJ

BUT

TRUMPS FAULT!!!
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26550 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:50 am to
So aerospace companies can’t hire illegal aliens or they can’t NOT hire illegal aliens.

Contradictory positions are contradictory, but nonetheless are apparently grounds for litigation?

I’m so tired of this madness.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13771 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:52 am to
Remind us, who appointed Bill Barr? Who appointed Wray at the FBI? I could go on and on.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70324 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 7:54 am to
quote:

Remind us, who appointed Bill Barr? Who appointed Wray at the FBI? I could go on and on.




Trump has said recently he will not hire DC scum in the future. He didn't realize how deep the swamp was. Now he knows
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
19206 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:49 am to
NASA also requires employees to be US citizens.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
88972 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 8:54 am to
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Remind us, who appointed Bill Barr? Who appointed Wray at the FBI? I could go on and on.


This is always such a retarded talking point.

Donald Trump made some bad hires, yes; but for the most part, HE WAS BOXED INTO HIRING WHOMEVER THE SENATE WOULD APPROVE.

Do you really think they were going to approve anyone who couldn’t keep him in check?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55712 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:01 am to
quote:

It is total insanity of course. But I also read that this DOJ investigation started in 2020 when Barr was AG. Serious question: Does Trump bear any responsibility for the terrible people he appointed to very important positions?



If you haven't noticed by now, the Bureaucratic State Skunks are running the show. No man, not even the POTUS can singlehandedly bring the D.C. Uniparty and Bureaucratic State down. It's gonna take a lot of people, a lot of work and a lot of time to dismantle the corrupt system in the Imperial City.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16061 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:14 am to
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Contradictory positions are contradictory, but nonetheless are apparently grounds for litigation?


Of course they are. If they can increase the cost of a conservative running a company, it decreased the profitability of the company.

The government needs to do this so that companies that practice diversity hires and other woke practices, which make companies less profitable, can still be more profitable than a company that doesn't practice it because of the additional costs of government interference.

This way they can extol the virtues of wokeness.

As far as the hypocritical nature, that is liberal policy in a nutshell.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
7214 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:44 am to
Question 1) Do they have social security numbers to deduct payroll taxes?

Question 2) If not then how the hell does he pay them?
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 9:49 am to
How can Democrat voters agree with their candidates using the legal system to attack their political rivals? Explain how this is a good thing Dems
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13771 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:08 am to
He had a Republican senate his entire term. Did someone force him to give Fauci that medal? Is he accountable for anything?
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37914 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:18 am to
Obama shut down the aspect of NASA sending astronauts back into space, claiming that redesigned and building a successful modernized vessel to take astronauts into space was too costly, and would take over $3.6BB total per launch.

Musk and SpaceX worked tirelessly and innovatively and put people back into space with the self landing, reusable Falcon rocket system for $300M with only modest maintenance costs between launches.

If this doesn't directly prove how people use the government as a cash cow (and how the government goes along with it), then I just don't even know what to say.

Elon Musk is smarter and more efficient than the entire largest and most powerful government in world history. And I'm not sure whether that's a compliment to Musk or an insult to the US gov. (Probably both.)
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