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re: “Sometimes you have to take your medicine”

Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12901 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:58 pm to
quote:

We can disagree without personally attacking each other.


Not here you can't.

I'm willing to let this play out. What choice do we have at this point.

No way I was going to let Kumala have the keys.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 7:14 pm
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1979 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:00 pm to
Serious question:

How likely is it that interest rates will be lowered by the fall?

And how bad does the economic outlook have to get for there to be a chance at lowering them?
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16173 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:05 pm to
quote:

How many billions is he worth?
I have no clue what he's worth.
He tends to "exaggerate."
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28167 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:05 pm to
The 10 yr treasury is down 32 bps in the last month.

There is a huge flight to quality currently
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 7:06 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52366 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:07 pm to
quote:

Single-handedly crashing the global economy for what exactly?

To finally address the debt problem and the loss of our industrial base. You know, two of the major problems everyone has been worried about but no one has had the guts to attack.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

How likely is it that interest rates will be lowered by the fall? And how bad does the economic outlook have to get for there to be a chance at lowering them?


People on this board act like Trump can just refinance $9B for 30 years at sub 4% if he plays his cards right. There is an incredibly low understanding of how the US treasury market works.
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
3204 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

How likely is it that interest rates will be lowered by the fall?


If these tariffs stay in place there’s a zero percent chance, unless you want inflation to skyrocket.

quote:

And how bad does the economic outlook have to get for there to be a chance at lowering them?


We have to be on the edge of a depression for interest rates to go down, assuming the tariffs are in place
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1979 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:09 pm to
That is the secondary bond market, right? That doesn't mean the Fed will lower the rate, right?
Posted by LSUTiger2000
Member since Jul 2021
148 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:10 pm to
You cult supporters going to cult.

Blind loyalty as the world burns. Trillions of dollars in markets up in smoke by a self inflicted wound.

I would imagine most of the cult are high school educated and don’t understand the fire he has unleashed. Awesome to do all this to try to solve a deficit that cannot be solved.

The cult will profess the love for him as he’s robbing all of you.

Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17674 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:10 pm to
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He’s a fricking idiot. What a vindictive old fool. Single-handedly crashing the global economy for what exactly?


No one person should be able to crash the economy.

If they can, the global economy was a house of cards already.

This would be proof that America was funding everything.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:11 pm to
quote:


To finally address the debt problem and the loss of our industrial base.


We are the worlds number two manufacturer, and per capita ahead of China.

Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84889 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:11 pm to
Now the world is burning! Save yourself!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66712 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:12 pm to
Amazing how all of these “plugged in” posters forgot he said this would happen last summer and that one way or another it was inevitable.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9787 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

What choice do we have at this point.


Absolutely none. We’re all along for the ride.

quote:

No way I was going to let Kumala have the keys.


Amen.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:13 pm to
quote:



No one person should be able to crash the economy.



He's trying his best.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
5306 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:14 pm to
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You cult supporters going to cult. Blind loyalty as the world burns. Trillions of dollars in markets up in smoke by a self inflicted wound. I would imagine most of the cult are high school educated and don’t understand the fire he has unleashed. Awesome to do all this to try to solve a deficit that cannot be solved. The cult will profess the love for him as he’s robbing all of you.


I get you’re poor and uneducated and I’m sorry for that. And I’m sorry Trump personally robbed you of your SS money. We are all very sorry. Trump voters are glad we took an educated and different path than you. Thanks for being an example of what not to be. We owe it to you.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28167 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

That is the secondary bond market, right? That doesn't mean the Fed will lower the rate, right?


Fed raises a lowers the prime rate (really the Fed funds and discount rate)

The secondary market rate you’re talking about, drives where the treasury refinances as it is what drives the treasury auction.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 7:37 pm
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19067 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

He’s a fricking idiot.


lol. That’s not true. He’s very prolific at filing lawsuits and scapegoating people.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1979 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:18 pm to
Okay. As I mentioned, I don't know much about this.

But the Fed raises and lowers rates based on the secondary bond market? I thought their main driver was inflation. Is that wrong?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

Okay. As I mentioned, I don't know much about this. But the Fed raises and lowers rates based on the secondary bond market? I thought their main driver was inflation. Is that wrong?


The Fed doesn’t do anything based on the market, at least not directly.

They raise and lower the federal funds rate.

The treasury is who decides how much and for how long we’ll sell debt.
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