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Somebody Explain The Potential Rail Strike
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:05 pm
What is going on with this? What are the main issues? Talk to me like I’m a mentally handicap individual.
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:08 pm to Catchfalaya
Unions & operations/upper management are inept. Then the govt is fuel on the fire.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:10 pm to momentoftruth87
So what is it? The unions are asking for more pay to their workers, and the rail operators say they can’t match that?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:12 pm to Catchfalaya
Years of avoiding it and now dealing with it at maximum pain point after covid and backlogged logistics.
End of the day the worker thinks they are being taken care of because tHeYre UnIon, the govt wins, and the consumer gets fricked.
End of the day the worker thinks they are being taken care of because tHeYre UnIon, the govt wins, and the consumer gets fricked.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:13 pm to Catchfalaya
The rail companies are also forcing its workers to do more with less to the point its getting unsafe
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:14 pm to Catchfalaya
Several different issues going on.
A lot of it has to do with the rail lines being poorly run, such as getting government money for payroll then cutting tons of people during Covid.
Now they are severely short handed but are being dicks to the union guys in part because rail strikes are heavily regulated by Congress, meaning a lot of hoops to jump through such as mandated “cooling off” periods.
A lot of it has to do with the rail lines being poorly run, such as getting government money for payroll then cutting tons of people during Covid.
Now they are severely short handed but are being dicks to the union guys in part because rail strikes are heavily regulated by Congress, meaning a lot of hoops to jump through such as mandated “cooling off” periods.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:15 pm to Catchfalaya
It's not just wages. Especially with the guys in train service. Management wants to have control over the size of the extra boards for example. Meaning they would cut them down to essentially nothing making it impossible to take personal days, etc.
The few remaining work rules and such the operating department has are under fire and that is why they are the ones that have not agreed to the carriers demands.
The few remaining work rules and such the operating department has are under fire and that is why they are the ones that have not agreed to the carriers demands.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:19 pm to BuckyCheese
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Meaning they would cut them down to essentially nothing making it impossible to take personal days, etc.
Wah
You realize most of us with real non unionized jobs already don’t get days off? This is America where like 4 people work. Do your part and quit taking days off you have food stampers to feed
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:25 pm to el Gaucho
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Wah
You realize most of us with real non unionized jobs already don’t get days off? This is America where like 4 people work. Do your part and quit taking days off you have food stampers to feed
It's obvious you have zero idea how an engineer's "schedule" works on the railroad.
Hint-They don't have one. On call 24 hours a day 365 days a year. No such thing as weekends or holidays.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:26 pm to Catchfalaya
quote:Biden is beholden to the unions. Just as they've hosed the nation with their dockworker BS in LA/LongBeach under the cover of Buttigeig and PotatoBrain, they expect the same cover/support with the rails, etc.
Somebody Explain The Potential Rail Strike
What is going on with this? What are the main issues? Talk to me like I’m a mentally handicap individual.
This is the Mafia moment, and they're going to seize it! Hopefully it will get every bit as ugly as they intend ... in the run up to November.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:35 pm to Catchfalaya
Have you ever seen Emperor of the North? It's kind of like that, except the railroad unions are The Shack, and the floundering economy is an unwitting hobo trying to sneak a free ride.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:35 pm to Catchfalaya
LINK This article addresses the biggest beef, from Railwayage.com
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In my area, we have two pools going east out of KC, we have between 60-70 guys on these two boards, only 4 a day are allowed to layoff with a single VAC or PLD day. So, if you need off for any reason, only recourse is to layoff "non-compensated" which eats into those points.
**The biggest point I need to stress here, is road crews have NO ASSIGNED DAYS OFF, that is correct, other then scheduled VAC or PLDs I am on call 24/7/365, birthdays/holidays/weekend/EVERYDAY**
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In my area, we have two pools going east out of KC, we have between 60-70 guys on these two boards, only 4 a day are allowed to layoff with a single VAC or PLD day. So, if you need off for any reason, only recourse is to layoff "non-compensated" which eats into those points.
**The biggest point I need to stress here, is road crews have NO ASSIGNED DAYS OFF, that is correct, other then scheduled VAC or PLDs I am on call 24/7/365, birthdays/holidays/weekend/EVERYDAY**
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:35 pm to Catchfalaya
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Somebody Explain The Potential Rail Strike
Agreed. Please explain it like I drive a $1500 1993 Chevy Caprice with $8000 32 inch rims.
TIA.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:42 pm to Catchfalaya
What's going to happed to gasoline prices if the trains stop running? Joe stopped the Keystone XL Pipeline so Warren Buffet could haul oil on his Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Railroad.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:43 pm to NC_Tigah
I guess things aren't like they used to be when working for the railroads. My grandpa worked for the railroad as an engineer from the '20s to the late '50s when he retired. For a Cajun that was born and raised on a share cropper farm in St Martin Parish, that career afforded him and family a great living standard. He retired on a pretty lucrative RR pension, that he collected on for 25 years until his death. And my grandmother received for another 5 years until she passed away.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 5:46 pm to finkle
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In my area, we have two pools going east out of KC,
East out of KC I'd guess BunSniff.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:01 pm to BuckyCheese
Yes. FTM and GB. 223 and 281 miles.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:09 pm to doublecutter
"that career afforded him and family a great living standard. He retired on a pretty lucrative RR pension"
this is mostly still intact, however, the crews have dropped from 5 to 2 person, trains are up to 15,000' in length, and the RR didn't have attendance/availability policies until 2006-07 ish, Hell, some guys didn't work enough to qualify for health insurance or vac, I understand why the RR wanted to purge that group. But they just kept going and cutting more and more, we tried to "selfhelp/strike" several times, but it was deemed a minor dispute by fed judges and sent back for negotiations... the RR just implemented it, and that was that..
We make ok money, but having to work 200 plus hours a month, ON CALL, plus the away from home time, another 100-150 is too much...
this is mostly still intact, however, the crews have dropped from 5 to 2 person, trains are up to 15,000' in length, and the RR didn't have attendance/availability policies until 2006-07 ish, Hell, some guys didn't work enough to qualify for health insurance or vac, I understand why the RR wanted to purge that group. But they just kept going and cutting more and more, we tried to "selfhelp/strike" several times, but it was deemed a minor dispute by fed judges and sent back for negotiations... the RR just implemented it, and that was that..
We make ok money, but having to work 200 plus hours a month, ON CALL, plus the away from home time, another 100-150 is too much...
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:11 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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What's going to happed to gasoline prices if the trains stop running? Joe stopped the Keystone XL Pipeline so Warren Buffet could haul oil on his Burlington Northern/Santa Fe Railroad.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:12 pm to doublecutter
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I guess things aren't like they used to be when working for the railroads.
Rails were heavily unionized for the last century.
In industries where international competition cannot undermine union wage inflation (i.e., teaching, rails, government vs steel or cars), unions are great for workers. OTOH, in steel/auto etc., they cost workers their livelihood. So they're a mixed bag.
My Grandfather worked in the steel industry. All his life. Unions for him were great. 10yrs later, there was no industry.
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