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re: Some of you need to stop with the “Blame Arbery” threads.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:07 pm to kingbob
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:07 pm to kingbob
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It’s actually not relevant at all. He could have been running down the street carrying the Mona Lisa. It doesn’t matter. Citizens cannot use deadly force to protect property outside of their homes when the perp is fleeing and no longer a threat to them. If you escalate a conflict by chasing the dude down, you cannot then plead self-defense if you shoot him.
I wasn't making a legal argument. It's absolutely relevant to the social conversation going on about this event.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:09 pm to kingbob
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and no longer a threat to you physically
I'm almost positive that attempting to take a gun put of someones hand is indeed considered a very probable physical threat to that person
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:09 pm to RobbBobb
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I'm almost positive that attempting to take a gun put of someones hand is indeed considered a very probable physical threat to that person
Yeah...he did that after he was shot.
How would you react in that situation?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:10 pm to mahdragonz
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How would you react in that situation?
In b4 “I’m not black and I don’t go robbing houses”
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:12 pm to Ag Zwin
Agreed and by defending the two guys that killed him it just makes it that much harder to defend against the numerous other instances where a shooting was just or the drumbeats against racism etc. They murdered that guy plain as day no matter if he was a bad dude or not. And then them sitting on the tape? We all should be calling that out.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:14 pm to mahdragonz
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I'm almost positive that attempting to take a gun put of someones hand is indeed considered a very probable physical threat to that person
Yeah...he did that after he was shot.
Is that your understanding? Also, is that the basis for your opinion?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:14 pm to moneyg
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the social conversation going on about this event.
The social conversation is about why weren’t these dudes arrested immediately when the da had the video? Why did it take public outcry after the video was leaked to even impanel a grand jury?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Since the McMichaels initiated the confrontation with the weapons it will be difficult for them to claim self-defense
ummm, No
Right up until he grabbed for the gun, the rednecks were on shaky ground, but once Arbery became a physical threat by going for their gun, its the very definition of self defense
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:15 pm to RobbBobb
Which only happened because they chased him down and cornered him guns drawn.
By that logic, someone could put a gun to your head when you’re walking back to your car from the bar, you go for his gun to try to escape, he shoots you, and now he can claim self-defense! That’s insane!
By that logic, someone could put a gun to your head when you’re walking back to your car from the bar, you go for his gun to try to escape, he shoots you, and now he can claim self-defense! That’s insane!
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:16 pm to moneyg
The first shot hit Arbery in the hand. So at least one hand wasn’t on the gun. The shot occurs very close to him getting past the front of the truck.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:16 pm to kingbob
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The social conversation is about why weren’t these dudes arrested immediately when the da had the video?
I'm referencing the narrative that this was a lynching and that the guy was killed because of the color of his skin as compared to the killers' skin.
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Why did it take public outcry after the video was leaked to even impanel a grand jury?
That's a reasonable question. We may find out the DA is dirty.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:17 pm to RobbBobb
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Right up until he grabbed for the gun, the rednecks were on shaky ground, but once Arbery became a physical threat by going for their gun, its the very definition of self defense
Except they were trying to detain him. So they’ve still got a little bit of a hill to climb.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:17 pm to kingbob
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Which only happened because they chased him down and cornered him guns drawn.
They had already called 911, popo was on the way. grabbing the gun was what caused the shooting
Unless you believed they called 911, only to have the police arrive to watch them gun down an unarmed man just standing there?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:19 pm to RobbBobb
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Right up until he grabbed for the gun, the rednecks were on shaky ground, but once Arbery became a physical threat by going for their gun, its the very definition of self defense
The former Fulton County prosecutor turned defense attorney has a pretty good application of the relevant Georgia law in that AJC article someone posted. I don't think their self-defense is going to turn on Arbery grabbing the gun or not, but it's going to turn on whether they were justified in attempting a citizens arrest
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:19 pm to RobbBobb
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but once Arbery became a physical threat by going for their gun, its the very definition of self defense
You aren’t entitled to self defense while committing felony aggravated assault
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:19 pm to the808bass
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Except they were trying to detain him. So they’ve still got a little bit of a hill to climb.
No doubt
But grabbing a gun is the very definition of time to open fire. Its textbook
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:19 pm to moneyg
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That's a reasonable question. We may find out the DA is dirty.
The whole law enforcement apparatus sucks in Glynn county. The police say they wanted to charge the McMichaels and the DA that employed McMichaels said no. And then recused herself. A few days later, the police chief and three officers are indicted for perjury. The second DA has a son who worked in the same office as the elder McMichael. He declined to prosecute as well and wrote that Arbery had a history of mental issues in a weird memo. He also wrote that the McMichaels were justified in trying to detain Arbery when its not at all apparent they were justified. Finally, the local police asked the GBI to investigate the leak of the video, but not the case.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:20 pm to the808bass
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There’s going to be racial elements to this trial whether you like it or not. Do you think the McMichaels’ lawyer is going to try to get a bunch of African Americans on the jury? If not, why not?
I am talking about Liberal virtue signalers like you , the OP and a few others along with the media.
This is only news because a black guy got shot by a white guy.
Didn't a bunch of blacks beat up and kill a mentally handicapped white guy in an elevator not along ago ? Where was the media and virtue signalers on that ?
Look at how the media and Liberal virtue signalers jumped on the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin crap and
they were wrong.
When Liberal virtue signalers start whining about black on black crime they will finally be taken seriously and not be mocked and laughed at.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:20 pm to RobbBobb
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But grabbing a gun is the very definition of time to open fire. Its textbook
If the McMichaels son shot before Arbery grabs the gun, does that change anything?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 4:20 pm to RobbBobb
But you can’t legally defend yourself if you are trying to illegally detain someone. You lose that ability, legally. It’s textbook.
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