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re: Soldier gets charged $1000 for gear he was told to leave in Afghanistan
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:02 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:02 am to Obtuse1
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He went two years without having his required equipment in a Tier 3 unit. It was HIS responsibility to handle the issue as soon as he could.
Nope. That was a leadership failure. Two years ago he would have been a private. His team leader on up should have guided him on what he needed to do since it would have been one of them that ordered him to leave it.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:56 am to Obtuse1
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It is not unusual to have a lot of lost/damaged OCIE and TA-50 gear returning from deployment. The key is to take care of it as soon as you are wheels down at your garrison. Up to $5k the Battalion old man can sign off on the FLIPL and they usually do a few of these after every deployment. If you wait two years you are going to have to pay the statement of charges 99% of the time.
I am sorry but you can't sit for years missing OCIE and/or TA-50 and not expect a statement of charges. You simply have to take care of things timely. This is not new.
So you're okay with leaving billions of gear for the taliban and promoting transgender activists in the military, but you're a stickler for the rules on stuff like this?
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 1:42 am
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:58 am to Squirrelmeister
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but the last time we were the good guys was WW2
I mean maybe. We fought alongside the Soviets though.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:28 am to finchmeister08
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Night vision?
ACOG sights?
Sidearms?
Those are sensitive items and considered unit equipment and will have a Primary Hand Receipt Holder (PHRH) normally the unit commander. Sensitive items such as NVGs, CCI, and GPS will be done quarterly and firearms and explosives will be done monthly and both will have strict rules about who and how they are done. There will also be a yearly cyclic inventory of unit equipment my units did 25% of the line items each quarter but other units split it differently. The point is none of the stuff he left was considered sensitive items or there would have been a reckoning much earlier.
Even undepreciated $4k is basically all of one's TA-50. Normally theater issue would have been turned in after returning from deployment. Even in the REMFest of POG units in the 82nd you have to stay jump qualified (plus you want that pay) so you are going to jump every 6 months (if you jump two days in a row and "jump backwards"). There is just no way the guy made it two years without his TA-50.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:12 am to stout
Pathetic. Beyond pathetic.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:17 am to SirWinston
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So you're okay with leaving billions of gear for the taliban and promoting transgender activists in the military, but you're a stickler for the rules on stuff like this?
As a soldier, you don’t get to choose which rules are good. You’re not a policymaker.
There is an expectation that soldiers are combat ready at all times.
I won’t make any character assumptions, but making a video like this is pretty low class.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:18 am to Obtuse1
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When I was a platoon leader and company commander had he come to me immediately afterward I would have gone to bat for him and gotten the battalion commander to sign off as no-fault and gotten him replacement equipment issued.
I don’t know how it works in the army, but in the Navy there would have been no way any of this would have happened. We do semi-annual inspections and any missing items are reported to the division officer through the NCOs. The kid might have been at fault for losing the gear but when it takes TWO YEARS to spot the problem, that’s a failure in leadership.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:26 am to RollTide1987
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I don’t know how it works in the army, but in the Navy there would have been no way any of this would have happened
There's definitely some missing information. That's what's wrong with videos like this one. It's only telling his side of the story, and everyone is jumping to the conclusion that he's being honest about this. For all we know he threw it in the trash or something stupid like that. There's a lot of possibilities with this situation.
I wouldn't necessarily assume he's being 100% honest.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:31 am to tarzana
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And to think recruitment targets are in the toilet
Gee, I can’t imagine why.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:39 am to Ricardo
Dude may not even be in the military anymore. Just looking for money from gullible people.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:33 am to stout
There’s no damn way he was told to leave his plates and the rest of his layout. Were others told to leave theirs or was he special? Thats pretty easy to prove. Why didn’t he get his command to sign off on his shite and get it all reissued? He was in for a full 2 more years and never needed his gear while being assigned to the 82nd?
EXACTLY!
He’s lying.
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There is just no way the guy made it two years without his TA-50.
EXACTLY!
He’s lying.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 7:36 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:50 pm to touchdownjeebus
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EXACTLY!
He’s lying.
I was curious about the exact items on his list. I thought it odd he had 2 E-tools in Afghanistan but then I saw the smoking gun. LIN-XA1008 Training, Body Armor
XA1008 is a torso ballistic plate used for training. It is a real ballistic plate BUT it is a repurposed ESAPI hard armor plate that no longer is adequate for combat. Something that absolutely would not have gone into a combat zone. They are like MOPP gear suits the ones you train with are real but they are likely not effective so they are never carried on deployment. MOPP suits lose effectiveness just being out of the original packaging ballistic plates lose effectiveness getting beat and bashed around which is inevitable in use which is why there is distinct separation for plates that have been designated "training".
Posted on 11/22/23 at 12:57 pm to stout
Free abortions and free trans surgery though. All costs paid.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:11 pm to stout
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A Soldier leaving the army
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Specialist
Wow, a lying shitbag was busted and tried to blame someone else.
I'm shocked.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:12 pm to SirWinston
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SirWinston
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I just sent this dude $10
"Grifted" is your default state.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:24 pm to tarzana
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but the armed forces have been a mess since the 1960's and the failed Vietnam campaign.
Nah, our military was a great cold war deterrent force.
We could also thump a solid large military (Iraq pt 1)
When it was tasked by Slick Willie to SE Europe and Africa and multiple small conflicts, the stress of the (non-existent) deployment system was evident.
It was reconstructed to allow COCOMs to pick and choose pieces it needed in theater and put the flow on a schedule instead of brogaming it like previous.
Then 911, and all the activity that followed ensued. It consistently depleted equipment and shifting the mil to requirements to skirmish as opposed to brutal force weapons (Abrams, F-15Es, etc).
But none of that has anything to do with a command shitting on a soldier.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:55 pm to dafif
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Any person going into today's military is just too stupid .
IDK all of the ones I know have figured out a way to get permanent disability even though they now work normal jobs
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:18 pm to stout
Hate to say it but Military is big time business. It’s no different than late fees and forgot to rewind tape fees blockbuster handed down to customers everyday and made huge profits from it. That’s what our military has become. It’s all about making money for the big brass.
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