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re: Social Security is Welfare
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:42 am to GeorgePaton
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:42 am to GeorgePaton
quote:There has never, ever, for one second, been a SS "lock-box." That is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact.
That's why they came up with the "Social Security Lock Box" concept.
quote:Indeed. It is called "Social Security" because if it were actually called "A forced loan to the government on the government's terms," it would never have been enacted.
It's called "Social Security" for a reason.
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Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:48 am to ericberryistheman
Maybe so…but I’d rather give welfare to old people that worked their whole lives than to lazy fatasses that do nothing…or shipping money off to foreign countries.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:56 am to Veritas
quote:That ship sailed 100 years ago. The socialist President at the time thought the dumb masses of Americans would end their work careers penniless if the government didn't try to figure out what was best for them. But what he really wanted was a huge pot of money created by employees and employers. NC_Tigah and better explain the terms that the government used to the funds generated by contributions but had it been set up with the employee in mind, the trust fund would be rolling in money. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube though. So go to work so I can pay my YouTubeTV subscription.
I’d rather just have the option not to pay into social security and not have it taken out of my paychecks.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:25 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
And the money they paid went to pay for someone else's benefits, just like their benefits are being paid by someone else. Just like any insurance.
It's retirement insurance.
quote:
It's welfare/an entitlement and it always has been, and the SCOTUS even said it was.
Just because Welfare is an entitlement doesn't mean all entitlements are Welfare.
If you've been paying into FICA (Federal Insurance Contributions Act), you are ENTITLED to the benefits when you retire.
People have been using the word "entitlement" as a derogatory term for so long, they've forgotten what it actually means.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:45 am to NC_Tigah
"There has never, ever, for one second, been a SS "lock-box." That is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact".
Stop with your revisionist history. If there has never "been a SS Lock Box" as you argue then why did your pal Joe Biden go through the process of moving "S/S Trust Fund" monies and receipts into the General Fund. And why the need for those S/S IOU's sitting in the U.S.Treasury? Is that just a smokescreen to hide the theft?
FACT: whatever other name you wish to hang on that S/S Trust Fund Congress actually voted to raise S/S Taxes (to solve the funding crisis) and they did actually vote to "steal Social Security by essentially moving SS monies into the general fund. When they did that they (Joe Biden and the democrats) doomed the fund. It was left to people like you to set forth this absurd argument that SS is just another form of welfare. At one time there was a Social Security Trust Fund (aka S/S Lock Box), then was wasn't a S/S Trust Fund.
Society Security is our money. It was funded with OUR (and our employers) contributions. Go peddle your revisionist history somewhere else pilgrim.
President Trump is right about........everything.
Stop with your revisionist history. If there has never "been a SS Lock Box" as you argue then why did your pal Joe Biden go through the process of moving "S/S Trust Fund" monies and receipts into the General Fund. And why the need for those S/S IOU's sitting in the U.S.Treasury? Is that just a smokescreen to hide the theft?
FACT: whatever other name you wish to hang on that S/S Trust Fund Congress actually voted to raise S/S Taxes (to solve the funding crisis) and they did actually vote to "steal Social Security by essentially moving SS monies into the general fund. When they did that they (Joe Biden and the democrats) doomed the fund. It was left to people like you to set forth this absurd argument that SS is just another form of welfare. At one time there was a Social Security Trust Fund (aka S/S Lock Box), then was wasn't a S/S Trust Fund.
Society Security is our money. It was funded with OUR (and our employers) contributions. Go peddle your revisionist history somewhere else pilgrim.
President Trump is right about........everything.
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 12/20/25 at 12:02 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:Why?
why did your pal Joe Biden go through the process of moving S/S monies and receipts into the General Fund. And why the need for those S/S IOU's sitting in the U.S.Treasury?
Because that, my friend, is exactly how SS contributions have been used since FDR first conceived the program in the 1930's. It is exactly how the program was designed. SS contributions at that time were converted to US debt instruments, just as they are today. Those notes were IOU's to the SSTF. Meanwhile, the money was spent on "New Deal" programs.
quote:The only major change Potatobrain made to SS was the Social Security Fairness Act, signed on his way out the door. It increased benefits, not taxes.
Congress actually voted to raise S/S Taxes (to solve the funding crisis) and they did actually vote to "steal Social Security by essentially moving SS monies into the general fund. When they did that they (Joe Biden and the democrats) doomed the fund.
How about this? Cite the Congressional record and/or legislation referencing the changes you think occurred.
quote:You're trying to pick arguments where there are none. SS absolutely is our money. It's neither pay-go, nor is it a "Ponzi," nor is it welfare. Regardless of how they are spent in the meantime, contributions are uniquely backed vis-a-vis US debt obligations which in turn are subservient to the 14th A.
Society Security is our money. It was funded with OUR (and our employers) contributions. Go peddle your revisionist history somewhere else pilgrim.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 1:34 pm to NC_Tigah
Well then can we agree that we both agree the S/S Trust Fund was stolen? So how do we prevent the government from stealing "our confiscatory taxes" and using it to fund whatever b/s the crooked politicians in Washington, D.C. want?
As far as I'm concerned the only way to prevent a theft of this scale, is to elect people (like Donald J. Trump) who believe in giving people more of their "own money". Included in that "own money" is those S/S contributions flowing into government coffers.
How about this - would you be open to reinstating a full Social Security Lock Box with those S/S contributions flowing into that SSLB - fully protected from the hands of crooked politicians? Heck, make it a Constitutional Amendment..
But regardless, thanks for proving my point - misguided people consider S/S as welfare program - which it is not.
Have a great day pilgrim.
As far as I'm concerned the only way to prevent a theft of this scale, is to elect people (like Donald J. Trump) who believe in giving people more of their "own money". Included in that "own money" is those S/S contributions flowing into government coffers.
How about this - would you be open to reinstating a full Social Security Lock Box with those S/S contributions flowing into that SSLB - fully protected from the hands of crooked politicians? Heck, make it a Constitutional Amendment..
But regardless, thanks for proving my point - misguided people consider S/S as welfare program - which it is not.
Have a great day pilgrim.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 1:37 pm to ericberryistheman
Ponzu Scheme that always needs new blood and regards to steal from.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 2:02 pm to Harvey Vortac
quote:
Social security is a pyramid scheme
Yes.
And why is it our corrupt politicians always say we are running out of money for SS but never welfare or whatever other pork projects they want to fund.
Posted on 12/20/25 at 2:03 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:Not exactly.
Well then can we agree that we both agree the S/S Trust Fund was stolen? So how do we prevent the government from stealing "our confiscatory taxes" and using it to fund whatever b/s the crooked politicians in Washington, D.C. want?
But I think we can both agree most Americans don't understand the design of SS, and the fact SS contributions are currently spent on $2TRILLION of non-SS related projects/items.
This post was edited on 12/20/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/20/25 at 2:39 pm to alphaandomega
quote:"Our politicians always say we are running out of money for SS but never welfare or whatever other pork projects they want to fund" because SS surpluses are being used to fund those pork projects (currently to the tune of $2T)
Social security is a pyramid scheme
Yes.
And why is it our corrupt politicians always say we are running out of money for SS but never welfare or whatever other pork projects they want to fund.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:30 am to NC_Tigah
Okay then can we agree on this?..........
Joe Biden and the democrats stole the "Social Security Trust Fund"?
A simple "Yes" or "No"
Joe Biden and the democrats stole the "Social Security Trust Fund"?
A simple "Yes" or "No"
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:59 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
There has never, ever, for one second, been a SS "lock-box."
The lock-box has always been more of a government cookie jar.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:07 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:
You're pretty close to retirement age aren't you?
I retired this year but won’t be able to claim SS until 2030.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:39 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:No.quote:Okay then can we agree on this?..........
The only major change Potatobrain made to SS was the Social Security Fairness Act, signed on his way out the door. It increased benefits, not taxes.
How about this? Cite the Congressional record and/or legislation referencing the changes you think occurred.
Joe Biden and the democrats stole the "Social Security Trust Fund"?
Cite the Congressional record and/or legislation referencing the changes you think occurred.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:53 pm to NC_Tigah
No.
Cite the Congressional record and/or legislation referencing the changes you think occurred.
Yep, I figured this is what you would do. Actually, I don't really need to engage in a senseless search effort. You would only refute the evidence I collected. I was there I saw it - that's good enough for me.
Have a great day pilgrim.
Cite the Congressional record and/or legislation referencing the changes you think occurred.
Yep, I figured this is what you would do. Actually, I don't really need to engage in a senseless search effort. You would only refute the evidence I collected. I was there I saw it - that's good enough for me.
Have a great day pilgrim.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 3:22 pm to GeorgePaton
quote:I doubt it. I simply think you'd have found the same thing dating back to FDR. But you were not there then.
You would only refute the evidence I collected
Posted on 12/21/25 at 3:31 pm to ericberryistheman
Trolling is dumb
Posted on 12/21/25 at 3:37 pm to LSUtoBOOT
It’s quite simple. Current deductions are paying current retirees. These current retirees deductions were spent long ago.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 3:50 pm to paulb52
quote:SS was never in it's history pure paygo.
Current deductions are paying current retirees. These current retirees deductions were spent long ago.
Current retirees deductions were spent long ago ... true ... just not on SS. Debt obligations for those expenditures are still being cashed now.
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