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re: So now MN is arresting white people for hurting feelings
Posted on 11/22/25 at 9:42 pm to jizzle6609
Posted on 11/22/25 at 9:42 pm to jizzle6609
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I’m not on anyone’s side but shooting off the n word at the playground over a toy seems a bit much.
So stealing is ok with you?
Please let me know at what point you would accept the n word to be used
If shoes were stolen? (Happened to my child)
A phone?
Money?
What is your threshold for somone to use their First Amendment rights?
Is shouting you scumbag POS thief ok?
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:05 pm to Dex Morgan
quote:It is more complex than that.
This is a clear violation of her First Amendment rights. The First Amendment protects the worst of speech. You can face social consequences for your speech but you should never face any consequences from the government.
Speech is NOT protected by the First Amendment if it is intended and likely to produce imminent violence or other lawless action. See Brandenburg v. Ohio.
The theory of this prosecution seems to be that the woman in question knew that her speech was likely to incite violence or other lawless action.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:08 pm to Dex Morgan
quote:Again, Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Well then (the Minnesota) law clearly runs afoul of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has long upheld the First Amendment protects obscenities.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:10 pm to SallysHuman
quote:In your world, no one has ever been punched in the face for calling someone a Wop or a Mick or a Spic?
Caucasians aren't thin skinned nor thick skulled enough to get het up over disparaging racial remarks. Never have been, never will be.
Your world sounds like a nice place. Where is it located?
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:18 pm to BBONDS25
quote:The law in question is not unconstitutional. It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior. That has long been an exception to the First Amendment.
The law is clearly unconstitutional.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:22 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Or pretty.
You aren’t smart. You aren’t special.
Isn't that what Goran Visnjic said to break-up with Maura Tierney on e.r.?
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:23 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior
Why would this language incite violence?
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:38 pm to LordSaintly
quote:Because some people are well-known to be fragile and to react with anger and/or violence to certain insulting language.quote:Why would this language incite violence?
It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior
You can call me a Mick all day, and I will just chuckle and shake my head. Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:03 pm to Dex Morgan
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:06 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Good luck proving that was her intention. She didn't do it unprovoked. Her property was stolen and the guy was acting a fool.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:09 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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You can call me a Mick all day, and I will just chuckle and shake my head.
Same for someone calling me the N-word.
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Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.
I agree, but we’re not responsible for them.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:16 pm to Dex Morgan
quote:I voice no opinion as to the likelihood of conviction, only as to the obvious theory underlying the charges.
Good luck proving that was her intention.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:18 pm to LordSaintly
quote:Both the Minnesota statute and Brandenburg v. Ohio seem to say otherwise.quote:I agree, but we’re not responsible for them.
Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:23 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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In your world, no one has ever been punched in the face for calling someone a Wop or a Mick or a Spic?
Um... no.
Absolutely never.
Where do you live? Actually... WHEN do you live?
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:47 am to RelentlessAnalysis
Calling someone a Nagger is not necessarily in and of itself considered fighting words. There are a host of factors to consider if it’s protected free speech or not.
And even if it’s not protected speech given the factors, it’s still criminal for someone to commit battery on you for saying it. It’s not permission to strike someone. Course a certain demographic believes it’s ok to do it.
And even if it’s not protected speech given the factors, it’s still criminal for someone to commit battery on you for saying it. It’s not permission to strike someone. Course a certain demographic believes it’s ok to do it.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:51 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:00 am to UptownJoeBrown
quote:Correct.
Calling someone a Nagger is not necessarily in and of itself considered fighting words. There are a host of factors to consider if it’s protected free speech or not.
quote:Also correct.
And even if it’s not protected speech given the factors, it’s still criminal for someone to commit battery on you for saying it. It’s not permission to strike someone
And depending upon the answers to those questions, this woman might be convicted OR her (deplorable) "speech" might well be protected by the First Amendment. Answering those questions is the purpose of her trial.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 1:02 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:32 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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Speech is NOT protected by the First Amendment if it is intended and likely to produce imminent violence or other lawless action. See Brandenburg v. Ohio. The theory of this prosecution seems to be that the woman in question knew that her speech was likely to incite violence or other lawless action.
Are you implying black peoples can't control themselves, and as a default resort to violence over a six letter word? That they are reasonably expected and entitled to throw hands over two syllables?
Interesting theory...
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:34 am to SallysHuman
They want that word criminalized in the worst way.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:36 am to tbranfLSU
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In Minnesota, disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor offense involving activities like brawling, fighting, disturbing a lawful assembly, or engaging in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or language.
Has a black person ever been charged for saying that word in Minnesota?
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:39 am to SallysHuman
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Are you implying black peoples can't control themselves, and as a default resort to violence over a six letter word?
I've seen violent actions from this group for doing something as simple as sitting on a train.
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