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re: So now MN is arresting white people for hurting feelings

Posted on 11/22/25 at 9:42 pm to
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 9:42 pm to
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I’m not on anyone’s side but shooting off the n word at the playground over a toy seems a bit much.



So stealing is ok with you?

Please let me know at what point you would accept the n word to be used

If shoes were stolen? (Happened to my child)

A phone?

Money?

What is your threshold for somone to use their First Amendment rights?

Is shouting you scumbag POS thief ok?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:05 pm to
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This is a clear violation of her First Amendment rights. The First Amendment protects the worst of speech. You can face social consequences for your speech but you should never face any consequences from the government.
It is more complex than that.

Speech is NOT protected by the First Amendment if it is intended and likely to produce imminent violence or other lawless action. See Brandenburg v. Ohio.

The theory of this prosecution seems to be that the woman in question knew that her speech was likely to incite violence or other lawless action.
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:08 pm to
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Well then (the Minnesota) law clearly runs afoul of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has long upheld the First Amendment protects obscenities.
Again, Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:10 pm to
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Caucasians aren't thin skinned nor thick skulled enough to get het up over disparaging racial remarks. Never have been, never will be.
In your world, no one has ever been punched in the face for calling someone a Wop or a Mick or a Spic?

Your world sounds like a nice place. Where is it located?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:18 pm to
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The law is clearly unconstitutional.
The law in question is not unconstitutional. It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior. That has long been an exception to the First Amendment.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:22 pm to
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You aren’t smart. You aren’t special.
Or pretty.

Isn't that what Goran Visnjic said to break-up with Maura Tierney on e.r.?
This post was edited on 11/22/25 at 10:49 pm
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43181 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:23 pm to
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It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior


Why would this language incite violence?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:38 pm to
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It bars behavior intended or likely to incite violence or criminal behavior
Why would this language incite violence?
Because some people are well-known to be fragile and to react with anger and/or violence to certain insulting language.

You can call me a Mick all day, and I will just chuckle and shake my head. Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21898 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:03 pm to
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
3227 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:06 pm to
Good luck proving that was her intention. She didn't do it unprovoked. Her property was stolen and the guy was acting a fool.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43181 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:09 pm to
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You can call me a Mick all day, and I will just chuckle and shake my head.


Same for someone calling me the N-word.
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Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.


I agree, but we’re not responsible for them.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:16 pm to
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Good luck proving that was her intention.
I voice no opinion as to the likelihood of conviction, only as to the obvious theory underlying the charges.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
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Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:18 pm to
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quote:

Not everyone shares my level of equanimity.
I agree, but we’re not responsible for them.
Both the Minnesota statute and Brandenburg v. Ohio seem to say otherwise.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21711 posts
Posted on 11/22/25 at 11:23 pm to
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In your world, no one has ever been punched in the face for calling someone a Wop or a Mick or a Spic?


Um... no.

Absolutely never.

Where do you live? Actually... WHEN do you live?
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
9945 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:47 am to
Calling someone a Nagger is not necessarily in and of itself considered fighting words. There are a host of factors to consider if it’s protected free speech or not.

And even if it’s not protected speech given the factors, it’s still criminal for someone to commit battery on you for saying it. It’s not permission to strike someone. Course a certain demographic believes it’s ok to do it.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:51 am
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:00 am to
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Calling someone a Nagger is not necessarily in and of itself considered fighting words. There are a host of factors to consider if it’s protected free speech or not.
Correct.
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And even if it’s not protected speech given the factors, it’s still criminal for someone to commit battery on you for saying it. It’s not permission to strike someone
Also correct.

And depending upon the answers to those questions, this woman might be convicted OR her (deplorable) "speech" might well be protected by the First Amendment. Answering those questions is the purpose of her trial.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 1:02 am
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
21711 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:32 am to
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Speech is NOT protected by the First Amendment if it is intended and likely to produce imminent violence or other lawless action. See Brandenburg v. Ohio. The theory of this prosecution seems to be that the woman in question knew that her speech was likely to incite violence or other lawless action.


Are you implying black peoples can't control themselves, and as a default resort to violence over a six letter word? That they are reasonably expected and entitled to throw hands over two syllables?

Interesting theory...

Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26713 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:34 am to
They want that word criminalized in the worst way.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28108 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:36 am to
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In Minnesota, disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor offense involving activities like brawling, fighting, disturbing a lawful assembly, or engaging in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or language.


Has a black person ever been charged for saying that word in Minnesota?
Posted by SludgeFactory
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jun 2025
3836 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:39 am to
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Are you implying black peoples can't control themselves, and as a default resort to violence over a six letter word?


I've seen violent actions from this group for doing something as simple as sitting on a train.
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