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jimdog
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So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
He cites our drawing back from the endless conflicts in the ME, tariffs against those who have used the USA (Germany on auto's in particular) to dump their products. And America pulling back from a disaster of a Paris climate change action that accomplished little except enriching Europe, China and India and handing the USA the bill. Along the way Macron also doubled the cost of American digital in France.

Trump ran on America first and shocked them by keeping his word. They are politicians and don't understand the actions of an outsider. Same as the career pols in our country. We are one of 29 members of NATO yet footed more of the bill than the other 28 countries combined. Complaints about our pull backs from Paris, the endless wars, questioning the flow of American treasure to Ukraine, etc, etc are more of the same beef.

Things have changed under DT. We are no longer the world's chump. We have a 20 plus trillion dollar deficit and when the blowup comes here, how many of the world's other nations will come to our rescue? Precious few if any.


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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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And America pulling back from a disaster of a Paris climate change action


What, exactly does this have to do with NATO?

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America first


Been way too long since this was the priority...


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teke184
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
Remind me, Dacron, which country was pushing hard for intervention in Libya? Wasn’t it France?


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93and99
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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Things have changed under DT. We are no longer the world's chump. We have a 20 plus trillion dollar deficit and when the blowup comes here, how many of the world's other nations will come to our rescue? Precious few if any.


What Trump has done has proven what I figured out 20 years ago.

We have had about 80 years of bad presidents who value foreigners more than Americans.

Unfair trade deals , foreign aid that could have been spent on VA hospitals , roads , bridges etc.

The worst part is Americans are so stupid they don't even realize it.


roadGator
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
I’ve always said that if you have to buy your friends you don’t have friends.


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Macron




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UnitedFruitCompany
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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Trump ran on America first and shocked them by keeping his word.


Tech companies hate his guts and yet, because they are great american companies as Trump has said, he is sticking up for them. Tells you all you need to know about how Trump truly is America First.

Also, if you want to know how far back our modern day trade kerfuffle with the brain dead politicians in Europe goes I present the following:

The Chicken Tax


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Largely because of post-World War II intensive chicken farming and accompanying price reductions, chicken, once internationally synonymous with luxury, became a staple food in the U.S.[10] Prior to the early 1960s, not only had chicken remained prohibitively expensive in Europe, but it had also remained a delicacy.[11] With imports of inexpensive chicken from the U.S., chicken prices fell quickly and sharply across Europe, radically affecting European chicken consumption.[11] In 1961, per capita chicken consumption rose up to 23% in West Germany.[11] U.S. chicken captured nearly half of the imported European chicken market


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Beginning in 1962, the U.S. accused Europe's Common Market of unfairly restricting imports of American poultry. By August 1962, U.S. exporters had lost 25% of their European chicken sales.[11] Losses to the U.S. poultry industry were estimated at US$26–28 million[3] (over US$210 million in 2014 dollars).

Senator J. William Fulbright, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and Democratic Senator from Arkansas, a chief U.S. poultry-producing state, interrupted a NATO debate on nuclear armament to protest trade sanctions on U.S. chicken,[3] going so far as to threaten cutting U.S. troops in NATO. Konrad Adenauer, then Chancellor of Germany, later reported that President John F. Kennedy and he had a great deal of correspondence over a period of two years, about Berlin, Laos, the Bay of Pigs Invasion, "and I guess that about half of it has been about chickens."[3][11]


Also, gotta love this blurb:

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In retrospect, audio tapes from the Johnson White House, revealed a quid pro quo unrelated to chicken. In January 1964, President Johnson attempted to convince United Auto Workers' president Walter Reuther not to initiate a strike just before the 1964 election and to support the president's civil-rights platform. Reuther, in turn, wanted Johnson to respond to Volkswagen's increased shipments to the United States.[15]


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TigerFanInSouthland
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
I really don’t give a frick about Europe and I hope we continue to distance ourselves from that rotting shithole every day.


TheHarahanian
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.

Who could have predicted that, minus interventionist leadership and funding, NATO would shrivel on the vine?


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jnethe1
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
Yeah... damn the USA and it’s constant paying of the bills that the other parasite members of nato refuse to pay. F em.


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Gr8t8s
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
During WW1, there was a massive wealth transfer from Europe to the US. US, with their intent to stay neutral, racked up the cash by selling weapons, then loaning money to Europe....only to have the loaned money used to buy more weapons and war things.

Since that massive transfer of wealth that made the US THE power of the world, Europe has been trying to get it back ever since.


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arcalades
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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’ve always said that if you have to buy your friends you don’t have friends.


all friends are bought, genius. It's just a question of what one is paying.


deltaland
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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What Trump has done has proven what I figured out 20 years ago.

We have had about 80 years of bad presidents who value foreigners more than Americans.


Not that far back. Mostly just Nixon/Ford who opened trade with China and then HW was a globalist, Clinton with NAFTA, and W and Obama with their pro immigration, globalist bs.

Truman, Ike, JFK, Reagan, Trump are all ok in my book


roadGator
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all friends are bought, genius. It's just a question of what one is paying.


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93and99
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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Not that far back. Mostly just Nixon/Ford who opened trade with China and then HW was a globalist, Clinton with NAFTA, and W and Obama with their pro immigration, globalist bs.


What about Truman and the Marshall Plan ?

He gave Europe about 13 billion to rebuild (roughly 100 billion today).

In my opinion , that's what started the ball rolling to foreign aid , us paying the bulk of NATO and the U.N. and other things.


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Boatshoes
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We are being trolled on a supernatural level. French president whose name is almost that of a pastry.


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boomtown143
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
delete. see message below
This post was edited on 12/3 at 9:10 am


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boomtown143
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
F* Him. Globalist Prick.


This is why I love Trump. America First!


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DeusVultMachina
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I really don’t give a frick about Europe and I hope we continue to distance ourselves from that rotting shithole every day


This. Withdraw from UN, withdraw from NATO. If these orgs are so important to Euro-trash, then let euro-trash fund them and pay for their own defense.

America fricking First.


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Homesick Tiger
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re: So Macron says NATO is experiencing "brain death" and blames the USA.
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I really don’t give a frick about Europe and I hope we continue to distance ourselves from that rotting shithole every day.


Amazing isn't it how this country was founded and how immigrants from everywhere in Europe flocked to the new country in order to get away from the European model and now half of this country wants us to return to that European model. Makes no sense at all if you know a little history about how things went down over 250 years ago.


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