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re: So Libs are excited over an issue that could result in a fine?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:23 pm to tigerinDC09
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:23 pm to tigerinDC09
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Apples and Oranges, there's no indication that Obama was even personally aware of these issues. 2nd, this doesn't show the campaign's intent to deceive anyone. It reads as bad book keeping.
Of course. 
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:23 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:not spinning criminal convictions?
What would "giving a shite" entail? Let's say, I want to do so. What should I be doing now that I'm not?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:23 pm to tigerinDC09
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He was taped by Cohen discussing a financial arrangement regarding the Playboy model WEEKS BEFORE the election. So yeah, that's the proof.
are you saying that's the proof that these payments were never intended to influence the election? I concur
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:24 pm to Machine
Well, in that case, I guess I'm good.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:24 pm to saints5021
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So Libs are excited over an issue that could result in a fine?
The difference here is that in this investigation, the prosecutor wants to send Trump down the river.
In the Clinton investigation, the investigation team was working to clear her, not convict her. Instead of investigating everyone in her inner circle in order to find crimes that would get them to flip, they gave them all immunity.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:26 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Wait... so trump spent his own money to hush a playmate?? Is that what this is about??
Well here's one of the crimes Cohen admitted to:
Corporations were prohibited from making contributions directly to presidential candidates, including expenditures coordinated with candidates or their committees, and candidates were prohibited from accepting corporate contributions.
His work with AMI and Nat'l Enquirer violated this law.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:26 pm to tigerinDC09
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2nd, this doesn't show the campaign's intent to deceive anyone. It reads as bad book keeping.
Hiding donors’ names and knowingly keeping illegal contributions isn’t intended to deceive anyone?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:27 pm to tigerinDC09
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His work with AMI and Nat'l Enquirer violated this law
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:28 pm to tigerinDC09
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Apples and Oranges, there's no indication that Obama was even personally aware of these issues.
Yeah I am sure Obama had no idea what was happening in his campaign. That makes sense.
There is plenty of evidence that Obama knew what Russia was doing in 2016 and not only did he not stop it but he ordered the intellegnce community not to look into it. You do not care. Trump's kid might have met with a guy connected to Russia once and you think Trump is guilty of treason. Seems fair.
Obama also threw his support behind a candidate who was funded by Saudi Arabia and who got together with the DNC to rig the primaries and with the MSM to rig the debates. Trump levels stricter sanctions than Obama ever did against Russia and says the media is a fake group of propagandists and you attack him for being mean to the media and call him a Russian sympathizer. Seems fair.
Squeaky clean. The beacon of transparency Obama surely was.
I am so tired of you hypocritcal progressives refusing to hold people to the same standards. You bark and cry incessantly about "A", and how important "A" is, and then an independent American like myself points out thay many of your heros are currently guilty of "A" and instead of agreeing that we should clean house in DC, you immediately say that is different and not a big deal when they do it and whatever other mental pretzels you twists. I find it pathetic.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:28 pm to Vecchio Cane
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are you saying that's the proof that these payments were never intended to influence the election? I concur
They have all kinds of communications and documents which prove that it was for the purpose of effecting the outcome of the election.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:30 pm to RazorBroncs
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Hiding donors’ names and knowingly keeping illegal contributions isn’t intended to deceive anyone?
If there is evidence of Obama directing someone on his campaign to do this, then that would be on par with the current Trump/Cohen situation.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:32 pm to saints5021
I doubt Trump even sees a fine, unless they abandon any reasonable application of the rules just to get a win.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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They have all kinds of communications and documents which prove that it was for the purpose of effecting the outcome of the election.
Such as?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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If there is evidence of Obama directing someone on his campaign to do this, then that would be on par with the current Trump/Cohen situation.
Nothing quite like the plausible deniability distinction for the person striving to be leader of the free world.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:33 pm to tigerinDC09
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If there is evidence of Obama directing someone on his campaign to do this, then that would be on par with the current Trump/Cohen situation.
So you are saying intent matters, right?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:34 pm to GRTiger
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unless they abandon any reasonable application of the rules just to get a win.
I almost don't blame them. Nobody can take the arse beatings they have taken for 2 years and not want some, any measure of revenge
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:37 pm to GRTiger
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I doubt Trump even sees a fine, unless they abandon any reasonable application of the rules just to get a win.
The key will be what happens to those named in the plea agreement. If the chairman of AMI and any other Trump campaign officials who coordinated the payment get indicted, then you better believe they would go after Trump.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:37 pm to tigerinDC09
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They have all kinds of communications and documents which prove that it was for the purpose of effecting the outcome of the election.
No, they don't
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for the purpose of effecting the outcome of the election.
Gonna be a sore subject for some people for a long time
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:45 pm to saints5021
Do you really think that Cohen is finished talking? Trump approving the Russia meeting with Donnie, Russian investors and Trump’s Moscow building and oligarch money, etc. the games are just beginning and Comrade Orange is nervous - real nervous. McGhan’s insights on obstruction, more Omarosa tapes, his CFO speaking to Mueller, Mueller getting his tax returns and tax evasion being a real crime ,etc. look at the pieces starting to fall into place.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:48 pm to Geauxst Writer
you mean he entered a plea while withholding info? 
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