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re: So, is Ebola Still Airborne?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:38 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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What is the RESPIRATORY PROTECTION USED AT EMORY IN EBOLA TREATMENT?
We use a device called a Powered Air Purifying Respirator (PAPR), because we found them to be more comfortable for our nursing staff when performing patient care duties in the unit.
It's not because we're concerned in the least about airborne transmission, which is what you're implying I guess?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:40 pm to BamaAtl
quote:bullshite.
You asked for one instance of a peer-reviewed study which showed travel restrictions would not stop the spread of a pandemic
I asked if effective quarantine whether individual or international was not a mechanism preventing viral spread!
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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I asked if effective quarantine whether individual or international was not a mechanism preventing viral spread!
It is a solution, but it is a solution that creates more problems that it fixes. Therefore it is not a good solution.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:44 pm to BamaAtl
quote:I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you at this point.
We use a device called a Powered Air Purifying Respirator (PAPR), because we found them to be more comfortable for our nursing staff when performing patient care duties in the unit.
A PAPR is more """"""comfortable"""""" than a mask with a fluidshied?
Gosh, you should acquaint your ORs with that finding.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:47 pm to WeeWee
quote:An individual quarantine creates more problems that it fixes?
It is a solution, but it is a solution that creates more problems that it fixes
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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A PAPR is more """"""comfortable"""""" than a mask with a fluidshied?
You've never worn one, have you? Current isolation guidelines for ebola virus disease in early August called for an N-95 respirator - not 'a mask' - and a face shield. In our training in preparation for receiving our first two patients, we quickly received feedback from nursing staff that this was not the best solution for 8-12 hour shifts in a full isolation environment. Especially when nursing duties also intersect with janitorial duties, as they do in the SCDU.
However, our PAPR hoods are held on the head with a bicycle helmet-like contraption, are individually adjusted for fit, are less likely to fog up over time, and a myriad of other reasons.
The reason it's not really relevant in the OR is because most operations aren't conducted in an isolation environment.
You can laugh or cry all you want, but when you're done be sure to check out the website we created that includes our ebola policies and videos of proper donning and doffing of PPE. You'll learn something!
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:52 pm to NC_Tigah
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An individual quarantine creates more problems that it fixes?
A forced individual quarantine (like what NJ did) does or having police officers follow a nurse around when she bikes does. Especially when 99% of healthcare workers, aid workers that go to West Africa and work come home and monitor their symptoms, self-quarantine, and take other appropriate precatuionaty procedures.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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A PAPR is more """"""comfortable"""""" than a mask with a fluidshied?
Absolutely, and "masks with fluid shields" aren't the recommended protection for ebola treatment personnel anyway.
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Gosh, you should acquaint your ORs with that finding.
As if comfort were the only deciding factor here.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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An individual quarantine creates more problems that it fixes?
An international one (which you advocate for a few posts above this one) does. And you've been provided links to peer-reviewed studies which prove this.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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An individual quarantine creates more problems that it fixes?
On an international level, yes. It is a woefully inefficient and wasteful use of money, time and resources that doesn't actually stop disease spread based on empirical evidence.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Well that depends on particular epidemiology, doesn't it. Are we talking Flu or are we talking Leprosy?
On an international level, yes. It is a woefully inefficient and wasteful use of money
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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Well that depends on particular epidemiology, doesn't it. Are we talking Flu or are we talking Leprosy?
We are talking ebola, a virus that is extremely difficult to catch outside of a healthcare setting.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:05 pm to BamaAtl
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isolation guidelines for ebola virus disease in early August called for an N-95 respirator - not 'a mask' - and a face shield
What? Why in the world would isolation guidelines for ebola virus call for an N-95 respirator?
Again . . . please . . . take your time.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:08 pm to AUbused
interesting fact: there was a strain of ebola infection only in monkeys that went airborne in the US. The Military killed 400 monkeys at a research facility.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:14 pm to WeeWee
quote:As a healthcare worker I'm going to tell you to take your "outside of a healthcare setting" and STICK IT!
a virus that is extremely difficult to catch outside of a healthcare setting.
That is the BS directly responsible for the THP infections.
To personalize it, in the 1990's the CDC, at similar political suggestion, made idiotic assertions as to lack of HIV healthcare worker risk. I saw two dedicated healthcare colleagues contract HIV and die as a result of patient care in that timeframe. If ANYONE is at RISK, acknowledge it. That is all.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:17 pm to AUbused
Get ready to have this thread anchored. Cannot post against the mob. Board rules.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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As a healthcare worker I'm going to tell you to take your "outside of a healthcare setting" and STICK IT!
As a healthcare worker who's actually worked with ebola patients in the last 3 months, you don't know what you're talking about. It's incredibly difficult to catch if you're careful, as evidenced by 4 separate institutions with proper precautions dealing with the patients with no exposures. The only exception is Texas Health Presbyterian, which was woefully unprepared.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:19 pm to BamaAtl
quote:That is an ignorant statement.
The reason it's not really relevant in the OR is because most operations aren't conducted in an isolation environment.
care to embarrass yourself further?
Feel free.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:22 pm to NC_Tigah
Sterile =/= isolation precautions.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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As a healthcare worker I'm going to tell you to take your "outside of a healthcare setting" and STICK IT!
Healthcare workers on this board have been laughing at you for the past month.
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