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re: So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die..
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:31 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:31 pm to GRTiger
I’d like to know how’d they count the murder/suicide where the coupe were sure they had Coronavirus, were self quarantining while waiting on test results. He was so sure they had it he killed her and then himself.
Since He did it because he was sure they had it, they probably counted it in the numbers as being the cause.
Autopsy concluded they didn’t have it, but they did die because of Coronavirus possibility.....
Since He did it because he was sure they had it, they probably counted it in the numbers as being the cause.
Autopsy concluded they didn’t have it, but they did die because of Coronavirus possibility.....
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:32 pm to Tiguar
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AIDS patients never actually die of AIDS, either. Just some fungal superinfection. AIDS is a joke /s
No shite, huh?
You just cured that epidemic!
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:34 pm to Antonio Moss
Cool, please go on record: Do you think we are getting an accurate number of deaths by Corona from those compiling the numbers?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:34 pm to texag7
I’m wondering a similar thing. If a catholic commits suicide and had the virus, can they go to heaven?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:35 pm to WildManGoose
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"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or kidney issue and not a Covid-19 death. Right now we're still recording it."
Great.
That's exactly how it should be recorded. If COVID causes hypoxia that causes a kidney to fail and kill you (even if the threshold was lower because of a preexisting condition), COVID should be listed as the cause of death.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:36 pm to oogabooga68
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Do you think we are getting an accurate number of deaths by Corona from those compiling the numbers?
100% - no.
But I would never, ever, ever agree that any accumulation of any meteric of data is 100% accurate.
I would guess its 98-99% accurate.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
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“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,”
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You have a weird definition of "exact words"
I quoted her exact words and then followed them, obviously, with an interpretation.
Her statement is so succinct that I challenge you to propose another interpretation. There is an undeniable distinction between saying "dying from Covid-19" and "dying with Covid-19".
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
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So are you arguing that
Is followed by a ridiculous straw man 100% of the time.
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Under your theory, there is no such thing as deaths due to drinking and driving because they are actually caused by blunt force trauma from the victim getting crushed in their own car.
In that case, would the COD be listed as "drinking and driving?" I am not in the field, hence why I am asking questions rather than stating arguments or theories, as your straw man indicated.
I guess I am trying to figure out why heart attack deaths are down so much. If someone drinks and drives, does that add to the auto crash tally, or the drunk driving tally? Is there an official drunk driving tally in the medical field? (this is another question for which I actually have no answer, not a gotcha attempt, so unwad the panties.)
My very unprofessional way of thinking of it is let's say you catch on fire (heart condition), then someone throws gasoline (coronavirus) on you. Did you die by gas or by burning to death?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:38 pm to texag7
Possibly. If you are septic, and in organ failure....yes
If you are asymptomatic and die while jogging, then no.
If you are asymptomatic and die while jogging, then no.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:40 pm to texag7
quote:Maybe, maybe not.
So if I have Corona then have a heart attack and die.....I statistically died from the ‘Rona?
And I know this might be difficult for you, but just try to understand the numbers here. Let's count not only heart attack, but all heart disease related deaths in the US, which is about 650,000 per year. And this is a ridiculous assumption, but let's assume that ALL people with heart disease contract corona, and let's also compact their possible death dates to only a 10 year span of their lives. The odds of these people dying of heart disease in a given month is 1/120 on average, correct? If a typical case of covid lasts a month, then 1/120 is also the odds that they happen to die of heart disease while they also happen to have covid.
These possibly misattributed deaths make less than 1% error in the covid death rates, in the absolute worst case!
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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I would guess its 98-99% accurate.
Based on what?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:41 pm to WildManGoose
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I quoted her exact words and then followed them, obviously, with an interpretation.
So not "exact words". Got it.
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Her statement is so succinct that I challenge you to propose another interpretation.
How about an accurate one given the context?
The U.S. is listing the cause of death as COVID when COVID causes death by exacerbating a underlying condition, unlike some European countries that are simply listing the underlying condition.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:41 pm to WildManGoose
That seems totally appropriate. MODS is a very real threat with coronavirus. Coding a patient with CV as a kidney-related disease could be a distortion as well.
An example: friend of a friend is in critical condition on a vent and dialysis. He didn’t have kidney issues before the diagnosis. Did his kidneys independently stop working unrelated to the Coronavirus? Unlikely.
Example 2: coworker went to the hospital with a collapsed lung and a coronavirus positive. Is her primary diagnosis collapsed lung? Or coronavirus?
An example: friend of a friend is in critical condition on a vent and dialysis. He didn’t have kidney issues before the diagnosis. Did his kidneys independently stop working unrelated to the Coronavirus? Unlikely.
Example 2: coworker went to the hospital with a collapsed lung and a coronavirus positive. Is her primary diagnosis collapsed lung? Or coronavirus?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:42 pm to oogabooga68
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I would guess its 98-99% accurate.
Based on what?
Statistical history with data collection.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:44 pm to oogabooga68
quote:Based on the sheer odds against someone dying of other causes during the month that they happen to have covid.
Based on what?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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when COVID causes death by exacerbating a underlying condition
Those are your words and do not reflect the statement given by Dr. Birx.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:46 pm to Tiguar
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AIDS patients never actually die of AIDS, either. Just some fungal superinfection. AIDS is a joke
Laughed
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:47 pm to Antonio Moss
In other words, you don't KNOW for a fact, you are making a statistal supposition about a new and basically unknown national/world event where many of those who are supplying the numbers have often shown the inability to put politics behind them when dealing with this event.....
In other words, we'll all know whose right at a much later time, but for now many of us don't trust the same experts who will not hesitate to fudge the numbers to further an agenda whether it be Economic or Political.
In other words, we'll all know whose right at a much later time, but for now many of us don't trust the same experts who will not hesitate to fudge the numbers to further an agenda whether it be Economic or Political.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:47 pm to WildManGoose
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Those are your words and do not reflect the statement given by Dr. Birx.
I’m guessing the CDC’s actual guidance is not a transcription of Dr. Birx’s remarks at the press conference.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:48 pm to Korkstand
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Based on the sheer odds against someone dying of other causes during the month that they happen to have covid.
Um, you seriously claim to know when people are supposed to die?
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