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So how much fentanyl did Floyd have in his system?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:40 am
Here is the full autopsy report, fyi. LINK
Is that a lot of fentanyl? How about meth, is that a lot of meth?
Dude had COVID, too, like I guessed.
Is that a lot of fentanyl? How about meth, is that a lot of meth?
Dude had COVID, too, like I guessed.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 8:55 am
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:41 am to baybeefeetz
Still didn’t deserve to die like that.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:41 am to baybeefeetz
Enough to kill him apparently.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:42 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
For the record, I am not saying he deserved to die like that.
I guess if the fentanyl is what killed him, which I'm not saying, then he deserved to die from fentanyl, because he took fentanyl.
I guess if the fentanyl is what killed him, which I'm not saying, then he deserved to die from fentanyl, because he took fentanyl.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:43 am to baybeefeetz
All those cops are going to walk.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:46 am to baybeefeetz
Fentanyl users learn to sit diwn a slecific way after they dose. If they sit straight, when they pass out from the fentanyl, they can slump forward and it cuts off blood/breathing because of the position of the neck.
Sitting wrong while dosing can kill you. Scott Adams gave a lot of insight on this.
Sitting wrong while dosing can kill you. Scott Adams gave a lot of insight on this.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:46 am to baybeefeetz
quote:
I guess if the fentanyl is what killed him
Did he swallow drugs in his possession when the cops first interacted with him?
Not saying it made putting the knee on his neck right, just asking a simple question...
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:49 am to The Maj
It would depend on when he dosed, but people on fentanyl don’t cooperate because they cant communicate.
Its almost like sleep walking. You can speak in such a way that you can be understood. But they wont even register what someone else says to them.
Its almost like sleep walking. You can speak in such a way that you can be understood. But they wont even register what someone else says to them.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:49 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
quote:
Still didn’t deserve to die like that.
The cop was wrong for having knee on neck and for not trying to help when he was actually dying.
That does not mean the cop killed him. He couldn't breathe before he was put on the ground. My estimation is due to his arms being cuffed behind his back which caused increased tension on his lungs. That plus his health condition and drug intake was a bad combination.
This cop was wrong though. That is without question. What is questionable is if the cop actually committed murder. This seems more like manslaughter to me. Proving malicious intent seems very difficult in this case
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:51 am to baybeefeetz
11 isnt THAT high, especially if you abuse it regularly.
From toxodex (the same resource poison control uses)
further, postmortem fentanyl concentrations aren't entirely useful
From toxodex (the same resource poison control uses)
quote:
1) Unconsciousness occurred at mean peripheral venous fentanyl plasma concentrations of 34 nanograms/milliliter during infusions of 300 micrograms/minute (Lunn et al, 1979).
) SUMMARY/CASE SERIES: In one study, fentanyl concentrations were obtained in 23 postmortem cases, the findings suggest that significant overlap may occur between therapeutic concentrations of fentanyl and lethal concentrations. Serum concentrations should be interpreted cautiously, and the patient's medical history and autopsy findings should be taken in consideration in determining the cause of death. Tolerance appears to develop in some patients that are receiving chronic fentanyl therapy. Of the 19 cases that were found to be drug overdoses, fentanyl alone was responsible for 8 deaths, with mean and median fentanyl concentrations of 36 (SD 38) mcg/L and 22 mcg/L, respectively. The remaining 11 cases were due to a mixed drug overdose with mean fentanyl concentration of 31 (SD 46) mcg/L
further, postmortem fentanyl concentrations aren't entirely useful
quote:
) In a forensic postmortem toxicology study involving 118 fatalities (ie, deaths were due to other causes and not related to fentanyl misuse or overdose) associated with transdermal fentanyl use, evidence of a consistent correlation between postmortem fentanyl blood concentrations (range: 1.05 mcg/L to 39.32 mcg/L) and therapeutic fentanyl doses (dose range: 25 mcg to greater than 100 mcg/hour) was not observed. Further analysis showed that fentanyl blood concentrations of the 118 postmortem samples were considerably higher than fentanyl concentrations of 27 living patients taking therapeutic transdermal fentanyl doses from 12.5 mcg to greater than 100 mcg/hour (serum fentanyl concentration range: 1.06 mcg/L to 3.34 mcg/L). The results suggest that postmortem fentanyl concentrations cannot be used alone to determine if a fentanyl intoxication occurred (Andresen et al, 2012).
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:57 am to Tiguar
Thanks. I thought that's what I saw poking around but wasn't sure.
How about meth?
How about meth?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:59 am to baybeefeetz
Fentanyl and meth. Do I see some THC in there as well?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to Tiguar
quote:
11 isnt THAT high, especially if you abuse it regularly.
Is it enough to slow bodily function to a point that stress to the system could become problematic?
What about when other drugs are in the system?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to Tiguar
The methamphetamine is the bigger story here IMO.
His level was 19
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edit: all above irrelevant unless something is a typo. His concentration was 19 NANOgrams/mL, not mcg.
His level was 19
-snip-
edit: all above irrelevant unless something is a typo. His concentration was 19 NANOgrams/mL, not mcg.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:06 am
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to baybeefeetz
Just posted it. And I read in the report this blood is actually somehow antemortem?
so the levels are actually fairly reliable
so the levels are actually fairly reliable
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:03 am to Tiguar
quote:
The methamphetamine is the bigger story here IMO.
agree- lets give cannabis its due
Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:05 am to mikeytig
No, I was wrong. His level was 19 NANOgrams/mL and lethal concentrations are seen in MICROgrams/mL.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:11 am to baybeefeetz
Its the combination of both fentanyl and meth that is so deadly.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:14 am to Midget Death Squad
this is perfect
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:15 am to LSUnation78
quote:
Fentanyl users learn to sit diwn a slecific way after they dose. If they sit straight, when they pass out from the fentanyl, they can slump forward and it cuts off blood/breathing because of the position of the neck.
Sitting wrong while dosing can kill you. Scott Adams gave a lot of insight on this.
When the police tried to get him to sit in the back seat of the police car, he fought to get out and it was reported that he yelled he was claustrophobic several times.
Could this be a connection?
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