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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:59 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:59 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I'm not going to sift through your post history, but I've always seen that as one of the big points you try to espouse.
Trump wants more spending.
MAGA believes they want less spending. I don't think they do when rubber hits the road (see: Social Security threads), but they think they do.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:00 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The two are not mutually exclusive
Marginalizing yourself from the larger population is going to affect your ability to wins hearts and minds
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I am referring to the issue itself, which is definitely not MAGA.
Again, Gaetz is trying to make it MAGA
Traditionally it's a GOP policy
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Lumping this issue in with MAGA, just because of a specific politician, is intellectually lazy.
There is a very small minority, led by Gaetz, who are pushing this today. They all identify as MAGA. They are promoting this as MAGA. How is this not lumped in with MAGA?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am to Bourre
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Just say that you don’t know shite and just making stuff up for arguments sake.
So your stance is everyone saying KM is working with DEMs and giving into DEMs is doing the same thing?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:03 am to moneyg
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when McCarthy (or whatever speaker is there) figures out a way, again, to get another CR or ominibus approved, it's not going to be because of Gaetz.
We're talking about this CR that's about to be passed, though.
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You are trying to say what has happened over and over and over again is the fault of Gaetz when it happens again.
No I'm saying Gaetz is responsible for this CR to give concessions to DEMs.
I never discussed his role in any other CR
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump wants more spending.
Can you support that? You think Trump wants to increase spending? Again, not rhetorical. Explain with details.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:04 am to moneyg
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Definitely not fiscally conservative.
What?
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Definitely not socially conservative.
Well yeah, hence the "kind of".
I also hate our LEO infrastructure, which MAGA argues is sometimes conservative or sometimes liberal, depending on who is being prosecuted.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:05 am to moneyg
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Can you support that? Y
Look at his admin spending over his 4 years, his complaints the final Covid spending didn't spend enough, and his support of Social Security.
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You think Trump wants to increase spending?
Wants to? He already set records.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is a very small minority, led by Gaetz, who are pushing this today. They all identify as MAGA. They are promoting this as MAGA. How is this not lumped in with MAGA?
The uniparty has been pushing through CRs for decades long before MAGA existed and will for decades after MAGA is gone.
Falling into this rhetorical MAGA trap is simple-minded.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're talking about this CR that's about to be passed, though.
You literally said you were predicting the future.
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"Well I'm predicting the future here"
If you are talking about THIS CR, explain in detail the concessions that Democrats got. Then we can have a discussion about who is at fault.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:10 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Falling into this rhetorical MAGA trap is simple-minded.
When I'm discussing the shitty strategies of the self-identified MAGA group?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:11 am to moneyg
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You literally said you were predicting the future.
The full CR hasn't been passed yet. I thought they just did a temporary one to fund government while they worked out the CR.
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If you are talking about THIS CR, explain in detail the concessions that Democrats got.
The same ones MAGA are already bitching about KM giving into
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Damn, I would’ve thought from the blowback that they passed a funding bill covering the next 100 years.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Voting FOR any CR, for any reason, under any president, for any ideological reason, is unforgivable in my opinion.
The idea that supposed rational people are defending this is sad, and also comical.
The idea that supposed rational people are defending this is sad, and also comical.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The uniparty has been pushing through CRs for decades long before MAGA existed and will for decades after MAGA is gone. Falling into this rhetorical MAGA trap is simple-minded
Dude is mentally broken. Thinks everything has to do with MAGA and thinks using the word patriot is a pejorative term. Totally a simple minded clown.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:To be fair, most of the (pre-COVID)spending increases under Trump are really a result of Obama's expansion of medical subsidies, increase in debt service under Obama, and demographic changes driving up SS and MEDI spending. Spending was at or below CBO projections from the mid 2010s. And I can't really blame Trump for COVID spending. What was he going to do veto spending bills that passed almost unanimously? Why?
Look at his admin spending over his 4 years, his complaints the final Covid spending didn't spend enough, and his support of Social Security.
All that said, Trump's by NO means a fiscal conservative. He wanted an infrastructure bill as large or larger than the one democrats passed under Biden's administration. He wanted more COVID spending, and more monetary "easing". And he curretly wants entitlements to remain untouched (which isn't realistic). The latter is the same thing Demcorats want.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:17 am to Bourre
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Thinks everything has to do with MAGA and thinks using the word patriot is a pejorative term.
This is so far from a MAGA issue. MAGA is not a fiscally responsible ideology.
It's being painted as that because that makes it toxic. It's a rhetorical tool - even if Gaetz and others make it easy to paint them that way. I'm not a big fan of Gaetz, but he's right on this.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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The full CR hasn't been passed yet. I thought they just did a temporary one to fund government while they worked out the CR.
You are going in circles. I'll ask again. You think the next CR and concessions to Democrats (with a majority Republican House) will be the fault of Gaetz? Please explain.
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The same ones MAGA are already bitching about KM giving into
Explain in detail.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:22 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is so far from a MAGA issue. MAGA is not a fiscally responsible ideology.
It's being painted as that because that makes it toxic. It's a rhetorical tool - even if Gaetz and others make it easy to paint them that way. I'm not a big fan of Gaetz, but he's right on this.
That’s why he is so simple minded. Can’t see the forest through the trees
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Voting FOR any CR, for any reason, under any president, for any ideological reason, is unforgivable in my opinion.
This is the whole fantasy/rejecting reality stuff.
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The idea that supposed rational people are defending this is sad, and also comical.
Are you confusing a statement of reality (CRs will be passed) with an endorsement of the policy?
It's a common mistake, especially by people who support certain movements.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:23 am to Bourre
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Dude is mentally broken.
There's a lot of hyperbole on this board, but this isn't an example.
A cursory review of SFP's work reveals someone who is definitely either OFF his meds or needs to be put on them with the quickness.
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