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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:38 am to moneyg
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:38 am to moneyg
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I think those that can't see the uniparty at this point are truly willfully blind. I
Again, the GOPE got you tax cuts and a conservative federal judiciary.
You think the DEMs would have the same policy goals?
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:39 am to Warboo
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So I guess we just keep doing the same ole thing.
No there are other strategies.
But they aren't ones that satisfy the Ouch My Balls fans in this emerging Idiocracy.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:41 am to moneyg
MAGA DOESN'T WANT TO DECREASE SPENDING!!!!
A guy I associate with MAGA attempts through the wheels and machinations of Congress to find a way to cut spending.
HEY, WE CAN'T HAVE CUTTING SPENDING SEEN TO ASSOCIATED WITH MAGA OR WE WILL NEVER GET SPENDING CUTS!!!
Wooo
Weee!!!!
A guy I associate with MAGA attempts through the wheels and machinations of Congress to find a way to cut spending.
HEY, WE CAN'T HAVE CUTTING SPENDING SEEN TO ASSOCIATED WITH MAGA OR WE WILL NEVER GET SPENDING CUTS!!!
Wooo
Weee!!!!
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Oh so now you want to engage in educating voters
You don't know me. Why are you responding as if you know what I stand for or believe?
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The membership of the House isn't relevant to a discussion about the reality of legislation in the House?
You are framing this as a MAGA issue, when it's a good government/Libertarian issue. This issue has been around longer than Trump/MAGA.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:42 am to Taketts
Yes … you are missing the fact the democrats are going to vote no on any Republican speaker. Unless mccarthy makes another deal with them
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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He can do that without leading to CRs that give concessions to DEMs.
What concessions are you referring to. This is not rhetorical. Explain in detail.
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I'm not fine with him forcing a shitty strategy that gives DEMs a huge W.
I think you are full of shite. Are you a Republican?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:44 am to Y.A. Tittle
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HEY, WE CAN'T HAVE CUTTING SPENDING SEEN TO ASSOCIATED WITH MAGA OR WE WILL NEVER GET SPENDING CUTS!!!
I laughed out loud at that argument. I had to read it a couple times because I just didn't believe he could suggest something so stupid.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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No there are other strategies.
Im sure none of your ideas have been thought of previously.
Lets hear your strategy.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:45 am to Y.A. Tittle
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MAGA DOESN'T WANT TO DECREASE SPENDING!!!!
Who said that?
I said they're engaging in a shitty strategy to do that, which will lead t more spending.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, the GOPE got you tax cuts and a conservative federal judiciary.
We are running a 2T deficit. We are bankrupt. Are you fricking retarded?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You don't know me. Why are you responding as if you know what I stand for or believe?
Well haven't you been arguing for (or supporting) Gaetz's muh fight instead?
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You are framing this as a MAGA issue
Technically, Gaetz is.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
For a lawyer, you are very simple minded. You are completely focused on Gatez and MAGA (you sound like Joe Biden tbh) without placing any blame on KM’s lies and actions. You willfully accept being lied to and are completely ok with the continuing status quo as long as the uniparty provides you with scraps from the table. You are mentally broken from TDS. I bet before Trump you would be making the same argument we are, getting back to the lawful appropriations process. Your are too blind to see it, but you’ve become a clown and have thrown out whatever libertarian principles you may have had previously.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:49 am to moneyg
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What concessions are you referring to. This is not rhetorical. Explain in detail.
Well I'm predicting the future here, but let's just wait to see what ultimately happens (and how Patriots describe that "deal").
I bet it's described, by Patriots mind you, as KM "selling out" and "giving in to Democrats" (or similar talking point language).
I am discussing a future eventuality, but I don't think that it's really in doubt (especially considering how Patriots are framing it today as well).
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Are you a Republican?
Kind of?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:52 am to moneyg
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I had to read it a couple times because I just didn't believe he could suggest something so stupid.
Literally just posting down the line from Google search, "spending cuts maga extremism"
MAGA extremists have hijacked the House
In their deadly determination to smash the U.S. government, the MAGA extremists in Congress took the wrecking ball to America’s national security last week.
MAGA REPUBLICAN HOSTAGE TAKING IS THE DEFINITION OF EXTREMISM
etc.
Yeah, this framing is all in my head.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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MAGA DOESN'T WANT TO DECREASE SPENDING!!!!
Who said that?
I'm not going to sift through your post history, but I've always seen that as one of the big points you try to espouse.
Are you saying IT'S NOT????
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well haven't you been arguing for (or supporting) Gaetz's muh fight instead?
The two are not mutually exclusive. And the time for educating the voters is not the week of the vote.
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Technically, Gaetz is.
Gaetz is a politician. I am referring to the issue itself, which is definitely not MAGA.
Lumping this issue in with MAGA, just because of a specific politician, is intellectually lazy.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well I'm predicting the future here, but let's just wait to see what ultimately happens (and how Patriots describe that "deal"). I bet it's described, by Patriots mind you, as KM "selling out" and "giving in to Democrats" (or similar talking point language). I am discussing a future eventuality, but I don't think that it's really in doubt (especially considering how Patriots are framing it today as well).
The question was, “what concessions are you referring to”? Just say that you don’t know shite and just making stuff up for arguments sake. You offered nothing but empty words and rhetoric
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well I'm predicting the future here, but let's just wait to see what ultimately happens (and how Patriots describe that "deal").
Dude, when McCarthy (or whatever speaker is there) figures out a way, again, to get another CR or ominibus approved, it's not going to be because of Gaetz.
That's beyond stupid.
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I bet it's described, by Patriots mind you, as KM "selling out" and "giving in to Democrats" (or similar talking point language).
In his short term as speaker, we've got two CRs, one that structured the Covid spending as permanent and another 45 day CR that will accomplish nothing productive.
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I am discussing a future eventuality, but I don't think that it's really in doubt (especially considering how Patriots are framing it today as well).
You are trying to say what has happened over and over and over again is the fault of Gaetz when it happens again.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:58 am to Bourre
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You are completely focused on Gatez and MAGA
In a thread about Gaetz and MAGA, I'm focused on Gaetz and MAGA?
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without placing any blame on KM’s lies and actions.
KM knew Gaetz was a paper tiger and ran all over him.
As Trump would say, Gaetz made a bad deal.
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You willfully accept being lied to
You can go back in the SOH drama threads and I said this exact thing would happen, b/c of Gaetz's weakness.
The Gaetz fans are the ones who believed his bullshite and accepted being lied to, my friend.
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are completely ok with the continuing status quo as long as the uniparty provides you with scraps from the table
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I bet before Trump you would be making the same argument we are, getting back to the lawful appropriations process.
I've always been realistic in strategy implementation and not a believer in fairy tales.
Go back to the debates I had with the Big-L guys like Gmorgan and joshnorris from poliboard antiquity. They believed in fairy tales and I argued for years with how turning your back on reality will make your goals less likely than working from within reality to get what victories were possible.
So no. I am not one to engage in self-delusion because I want to believe something. I have always been a realist and a pragmatist when it comes to strategy of policy implementation.
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but you’ve become a clown and have thrown out whatever libertarian principles you may have had previously.
Wrong. I just haven't left reality where I think there is this revolution hiding in the shadows capable of implementing every policy I prefer. Patriots believe this fantasy, and anytime someone tries to argue reality with them, they have little meltdowns and resort to ad hom attacks and straw man rhetoric.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Are you a Republican?
Kind of?
So, not a Republican. Definitely not fiscally conservative. Definitely not socially conservative.
I understand why you support McCarthy.
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