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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:09 am to Taketts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:09 am to Taketts
The same thing happened in Texas. The drunk Speaker of the House (Dade Phelan) got elected to that position with the help of Democrats. Whereupon he responded by refusing to allow conservative legislation (i.e.school choice) for debate on the floor. Payback to the corrupt democrats. But he did allow impeachment of Ken Paxton to move to the floor. Crooked is as crooked does.
Based on Kevin McCarthy's refusal to make good on his promises I suspect he's cutting deals with the democrats right now. I watched John Boehner get corrupted just like that....cutting deals with the democrat to stay in the speakership.
Now we learn Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell received donations from a fraudster (Sam Bankman-Fried) so the 'Turtle' could direct funds to anti-Trump Republicans. What a fricking mess. These crooks would make a pact with the devil if it suited their purpose.
UniParty stuff.
Based on Kevin McCarthy's refusal to make good on his promises I suspect he's cutting deals with the democrats right now. I watched John Boehner get corrupted just like that....cutting deals with the democrat to stay in the speakership.
Now we learn Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell received donations from a fraudster (Sam Bankman-Fried) so the 'Turtle' could direct funds to anti-Trump Republicans. What a fricking mess. These crooks would make a pact with the devil if it suited their purpose.
UniParty stuff.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 3:06 pm
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Do you want more or fewer concessions to DEMs?
I want good legislation, regardless of who it comes from. McCarthy supports a lot of shite I disagree with, so tomato/tomato.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Like I said, you are a weak individual who is begging for scraps from your democrat overlords. I noticed how you skipped the part about going on vacation for 6 weeks prior to the shutdown. That was when McCarthy could have gone back to the lawful appropriations process. Instead, he forced a crisis so he could have an CR. And yes, he is one man and he is called the Speaker of the House. That power alone allows him to keep members in DC to do their work. Nancy did it during Christmas to pass Obamacare, that is how you wield power.
Some of us, people who believe in small government that follows the Constitution and lawful processes, want to break the spending habits of people who have no regard for our children’s or our country’s financial future. You on the other hand have no problem continuing to support people who will lie to you to get power and continue the status quo. Very libertarian of you
Some of us, people who believe in small government that follows the Constitution and lawful processes, want to break the spending habits of people who have no regard for our children’s or our country’s financial future. You on the other hand have no problem continuing to support people who will lie to you to get power and continue the status quo. Very libertarian of you
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:20 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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McCarthy supports a lot of shite I disagree with, so tomato/tomato.
But the DEMs are worse, and Gaetz is forcing KM include a lot of these worse policies.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:21 am to Bourre
Yea, this is the situation that Amash talked about in the post I quoted earlier.
These people knew this was coming up. This could have been addressed months ago, or at least weeks ago. They have been having this CR/Government Shutdown fight annually for decades. It's pure theater.
McCarthy could have 100 percent solved this issue. They don't want to.
These people knew this was coming up. This could have been addressed months ago, or at least weeks ago. They have been having this CR/Government Shutdown fight annually for decades. It's pure theater.
McCarthy could have 100 percent solved this issue. They don't want to.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:24 am to Bourre
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Like I said, you are a weak individual who is begging for scraps from your democrat overlords
That's called framing an issue with straw man straw
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I noticed how you skipped the part about going on vacation for 6 weeks prior to the shutdown.
My comments covered that. KM has read the room.
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. That was when McCarthy could have gone back to the lawful appropriations process.
Again, this is beyond just KM. All the other Congressmen have to be on board for this, and it's clear they're not.
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. And yes, he is one man and he is called the Speaker of the House. That power alone allows him to keep members in DC to do their work.
So pissing off all those people who don't want to be part of that process is going to help him do, what?
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Some of us, people who believe in small government that follows the Constitution and lawful processes, want to break the spending habits of people who have no regard for our children’s or our country’s financial future.
Then engage in strategy that makes this more likely and not less likely. Gaetz is doing the latter.
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You on the other hand have no problem continuing to support people who will lie to you to get power and continue the status quo
The irony. HOLY shite.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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But the DEMs are worse, and Gaetz is forcing KM include a lot of these worse policies.
McCarthy abdicated his responsibility by not taking on this issue weeks or months ago. Instead, he waited until the last minute to create a fake emergency to push it through.
Regardless what you think of Gaetz, and I'm no fan, he and his allies knew this was going to happen when they allowed McCarthy to become speaker - with restrictions.
They didn't trust him, and rightly so. McCarthy has not followed any of the things he agreed to.
Amash was spot on in his description of McCarthy and his management style and overall personality - which is very sociopathic.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:27 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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These people knew this was coming up. This could have been addressed months ago, or at least weeks ago. They have been having this CR/Government Shutdown fight annually for decades. It's pure theater.
Because their constituents are fine with it.
Until you win that battle, it's all theater, including and especially muh fight, which makes those constituents less likely to support any change.
As I said a page or 2 ago:
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They truly believe all of these purple districts are just teaming with MAGA voters ready to oust the moderate GOP reps, and MAGA has the true majority nationally.
This stunt by Gaetz has made a lot of those purple-moderates associate decreased spending with "MAGA extremism", which means their representatives will act in kind. That's a HUGE loss to anyone serious about one day having spending decreases.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
The bottom line is McCarthy lied. He agreed to many things in trade for SOH. He has not fulfilled is obligation on any of his promises. The only way to stop this insanity is to send him packing. If they do not have the votes to make that happen at least we will know which Repub. reps. need to be primaried.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:29 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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They didn't trust him, and rightly so. McCarthy has not followed any of the things he agreed to.
Because Gaetz has no real power.
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McCarthy abdicated his responsibility by not taking on this issue weeks or months ago. Instead, he waited until the last minute to create a fake emergency to push it through.
He wasn't going to piss off the votes he needed for fewer DEM concessions by forcing their hand and playing into the theatrics Gaetz was trying to bait him into. Now he has to make concessions with the DEMs due to Gaetz keeping this up.
Gaetz engaging in strategy that gives more concessions and power to the DEMs is an L. Tell me how that's a win.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:30 am to Warboo
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The bottom line is McCarthy lied. He agreed to many things in trade for SOH.
Sure he lied. Gaetz thought he had more power/support than he did and agreed. No we will see if he has the votes to vacate McCarthy.
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If they do not have the votes to make that happen at least we will know which Repub. reps. need to be primaried.
You don't have the support do to shite, on any meaningful level. Again:
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They truly believe all of these purple districts are just teaming with MAGA voters ready to oust the moderate GOP reps, and MAGA has the true majority nationally.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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But the DEMs are worse, and Gaetz is forcing KM include a lot of these worse policies.
McCarthy funded everything the Dems want to do. He's prevented the small majority from being effective. The GOPe isn't better than Democrats. They are the same as the Democrats.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:31 am to moneyg
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The GOPe isn't better than Democrats. They are the same as the Democrats.
The GOPe got tax cuts under Trump and a flipped federal judiciary.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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They truly believe all of these purple districts are just teaming with MAGA voters
Not sure how this is relevant. This CR fight has been going on annually for decades, before Trump was even on the political scene.
It's a completely shitty way to govern and is ripe for corruption. It's banana republic stuff.
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Because their constituents are fine with it.
99 percent of the American public has no idea what a CR is, if they are even aware this is going on.
It's their job to explain this to their constituents.
The whole government shutdown scare is pure performance art. No one gives a shite. It doesn't affect anyone. The few times it actually shut down for a few days or a week, no one even noticed.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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These people knew this was coming up. This could have been addressed months ago, or at least weeks ago. They have been having this CR/Government Shutdown fight annually for decades. It's pure theater.
Because their constituents are fine with it.
Most are blind to it all.
So, you are pissed at the one guy who's seemingly trying to shine a light on what is going on, saying that helps the democrats instead?
Doesn't make much sense.
I'm not sure how else you are supposed to stir up the masses that this is all actually a big ISSUE.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think those that can't see the uniparty at this point are truly willfully blind. It's impossible to be that dumb.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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They truly believe all of these purple districts are just teaming with MAGA voters ready to oust the moderate GOP reps, and MAGA has the true majority nationally.
So I guess we just keep doing the same ole thing. Screw that. I completely disagree with your opinion on this.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Not sure how this is relevant.
The membership of the House isn't relevant to a discussion about the reality of legislation in the House?
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This CR fight has been going on annually for decades, before Trump was even on the political scene.
And Patriots think (as you can see in a post just above) that they have so many people waiting in the wings they can primary enough House districts to get that majority (Hint: they do not).
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99 percent of the American public has no idea what a CR is, if they are even aware this is going on.
It's their job to explain this to their constituents.
Oh so now you want to engage in educating voters and winning on communicating actual policy ideas to make them palatable to voters?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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This stunt by Gaetz has made a lot of those purple-moderates associate decreased spending with "MAGA extremism", which means their representatives will act in kind. That's a HUGE loss to anyone serious about one day having spending decreases.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:38 am to Y.A. Tittle
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So, you are pissed at the one guy who's seemingly trying to shine a light on what is going on, saying that helps the democrats instead?
He can do that without leading to CRs that give concessions to DEMs.
I'm fine with him talking about it.
I'm not fine with him forcing a shitty strategy that gives DEMs a huge W.
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