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So all these positive tests/new cases???
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:12 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:12 am
Is there any chance they included tests for other things, in the COVID test, that have no symptoms?
Could the tests include a test for an enzyme or such common in 10% of population?
I’m curious because what other killing sickness has no symptoms in 80% or higher of those that get it? No symptoms makes no sense to me?
And what other killer disease doesn’t afflict those with O type blood?
Could the test be inaccurate because it tests for things besides COVID common in many of us?
Are there any doctors that can answer this that haven’t been corrupted by additional monies paid for positive tests/hospitalized/dead COVID cases?
Could the tests include a test for an enzyme or such common in 10% of population?
I’m curious because what other killing sickness has no symptoms in 80% or higher of those that get it? No symptoms makes no sense to me?
And what other killer disease doesn’t afflict those with O type blood?
Could the test be inaccurate because it tests for things besides COVID common in many of us?
Are there any doctors that can answer this that haven’t been corrupted by additional monies paid for positive tests/hospitalized/dead COVID cases?
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 5:14 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:22 am to Little Trump
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4 downvotes?
Why?
OP is all over the place and hard to read?
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:25 am to Errerrerrwere
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OP is all over the place and hard to read?
I don't think so. He's simply questioning why all of a sudden we have a much higher rate of people testing positive.
Even 10 percent for a "pandemic" seems low to me, though.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:26 am to Little Trump
No increase in death rate or hospitalizations
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:26 am to Errerrerrwere
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OP is all over the place and hard to read?
It is definitely all over the place, but you can understand. Title should be changed to "Questions I have about all the COVID testing and new cases"
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:28 am to Errerrerrwere
Anger. I’m the same way and have to slow myself down and stay with one topic or else I spin out of control.
I’m so angry at what’s happening that I just can’t even talk about it because I don’t know where to start.
I’m so angry at what’s happening that I just can’t even talk about it because I don’t know where to start.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:31 am to Breesus
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No increase in death rate or hospitalizations
There have been many states that have an increase in hospitalizations and uptick nationally, fyi. We need to give it a couple weeks though to see if these are just people going in and staying a night or if they are staying extended and really sick. Also, death rate will certainly be one to watch as we get info over the next two weeks as well.
It will be interesting to see the data at the end of July for sure. If deaths/day stays relatively flat with the increase in positive cases, we could have more solid data that points to exactly what they are calling a COVID death....and might be time to start to look back at all the deaths we call COVID.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 6:37 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:34 am to Little Trump
I haven't seen a distinction between "new cases" and positive cases. A man here in Ark. took three months to recover from the virus. I'm betting he was tested every couple of weeks to see if he still had the virus so in essence he tested positive at least five times.
Every positive test is not a "new" patient as the officials lead us to believe. They are being somewhat dishonest with their "positive results" numbers imo.
Every positive test is not a "new" patient as the officials lead us to believe. They are being somewhat dishonest with their "positive results" numbers imo.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:48 am to Little Trump
quote:unlikely
Could the tests include a test for an enzyme or such common in 10% of population?
quote:the most common symptom of most viruses is believed an asymptomatic infection. This is because we have an immune system geared to fight 1) everything at a basic level 2) specific things at a high level. The reason this is called a "novel" Coronavirus is that there basically isn't any part of it that a human immune system has seen before. So the "good" form of immunity lags behind the basic form, and symptomatic cases tend to be worse based on how big a "dose" of virus the person got and how good their primary immune system is
I’m curious because what other killing sickness has no symptoms in 80% or higher of those that get it? No symptoms makes no sense to me?
(I'm of course speaking general and more of this is theorized than backed by any particular textbook chapter that can point to source data to be critiqued. I do generally agree with the notion)
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And what other killer disease doesn’t afflict those with O type blood?
Well, when describing killer illnesses based on blood type, it's easy to point to malaria. Malaria essentially can't/doesn't infect people with sickle cell trait. It's not a perfect correlation of "list all the diseases that don't affect a certain blood type," but it meant to be an example for the case that different red blood cell morphology can play an impact in infectious disease.
How? You've got me. It's an observation to date and will, in the future, undergo scrutiny and find one of a few things
Maybe RBC actually have an active role in immunity
Maybe the virus has to replicate in red cells and the type O blood doesn't have the appropriate transporter
Maybe something about the anti-A/anti-B antibodies that are floating around in your Type O folks confer immunity that isn't there from anti A or B alone.
Maybe something about the same antibodies in combo interfere with the assay
I, for one, don't test blood type in my sick patients. I haven't read the data that's based on. It wouldn't be surprising to me if in the future it was found that there were cases in that population.
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Could the test be inaccurate because it tests for things besides COVID common in many of us?
Check for the word "specificity" in the supplemental data of the test you are referring to and look at what it was compared against to establish the standard. Remember: 90% specific may sound pretty good to a layperson, but 1/10 cases being false positives is pretty awful. No pcr test I am aware of has a particularly low specificity. I also would need to scrutinize how the standard was established, but I think you'll see that there is a range in specificity alone. False positives on PCR are relatively rare, in general. The clinical relevance of a "case" however varies quite widely is: not all positives are the same. A positive in a healthy 25 year old is negligibly important to global health outside of their ability to infect an at-risk person.
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Are there any doctors that can answer this that haven’t been corrupted by additional monies paid for positive tests/hospitalized/dead COVID cases?
Hi.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:50 am to Breesus
hey stop it you are not supposed to figure that out
what is wrong with you lol!!!
what is wrong with you lol!!!
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:03 am to IT_Dawg
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we could have more solid data that points to exactly what they are calling a COVID death....and might be time to start to look back at all the deaths we call COVID.
I started a thread a while back that linked a local news story which had been picked up nationally. Headline "Family Mourns Healthy Teenager Who Died Suddenly from COVID 19"
- Healthy Teenager was a morbidly obese 13 year old, easily max out a bathroom scale obese.
- Healthy Teenager was undiagnosed, untreated type 2 diabetic. Their blood sugar was 1500 upon presenting at the ER with "unexplained lethargy"
- Healthy Teenager suffers multiple organ failure and dies. Test comes back positive, cause of death COVID.
Print the headline.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 7:04 am
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:14 am to Little Trump
The CDC said Oops, they've been including positive antibody tests in the tally of new covid cases.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:18 am to Little Trump
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4 downvotes?
Why?
You are grasping at straws to validate your predetermined narrative.
Just like every other Trump fanboy.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:20 am to IT_Dawg
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at the end of July for sure.
Or the end of this week.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:22 am to lsutigers1992
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You are grasping at straws to validate your predetermined narrative.
No. He’s just paying attention. You should, too.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:33 am to Little Trump
I feel like the tests may work like the Mexican Customs system
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