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re: Six illegal aliens (Dreamers) sue Trump for violating their constitutional rights

Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:29 pm to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:29 pm to
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Did you bother to read the chain of posts?


No. I get your point, but it's still apples to oranges imo.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53122 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:29 pm to
Legal immigration isn't bad but why is it ok to come to America on a plane but on foot it's illegal?
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
14860 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:31 pm to
In what sense?

What comparison am I making?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:32 pm to
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Are you unsure what "unalienable" means?


No, I'm not unsure. You're conflating human rights of a country's founding documents with the right of any person in the entire world to claim them in this country.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:32 pm to
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This land is my land this land is your land from California to the New York mountains

This land was made for you and me


Woody Guthrie was a commie.

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He worked at Los Angeles radio station KFVD, achieving some fame from playing hill-billy music; made friends with Will Geer and John Steinbeck; and wrote a column for the Communist newspaper People's World from May 1939 to January 1940. Throughout his life Guthrie was associated with United States Communist groups...

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This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:36 pm to
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I would argue that is more arrogance than ignorance
You'd have to ask yourself from where "arrogance" emanates.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58194 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:36 pm to
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Legal immigration isn't bad but why is it ok to come to America on a plane but on foot it's illegal?


So now you are comparing people that come here on vacation to those who come with intentions to never leave? This is a stretch.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:37 pm to
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Legal immigration isn't bad but why is it ok to come to America on a plane but on foot it's illegal?

What is your point supposed to be?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140732 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:37 pm to
You can come by train too. Legally.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
53122 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:40 pm to
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So now you are comparing people that come here on vacation to those who come with intentions to never leave? This is a stretch.

The fact that tourists have more rights than people who are literally coming here so they don't die should concern you
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:41 pm to
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In what sense? What comparison am I making?


You made an analogy comparing the abstraction of a persons opinion of having a "right" to be in this country, with the objective reality of a person being seriously injured. If the person was killed by the falling beam, others could seek valid recourse in the legal system. Apples to oranges imo.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35528 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:42 pm to
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but on foot it's illegal?

There's walk-thru gates at the border.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140732 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:42 pm to
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The fact that tourists have more rights than people who are literally coming here so they don't die should concern you


I love this talking point. Pure emotion. Right for the Alinsky playbook.

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:44 pm to
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The fact that tourists have more rights than people who are literally coming here so they don't die should concern you

Appeal to Emotion Fallacy.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58194 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:45 pm to
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The fact that tourists have more rights than people who are literally coming here so they don't die should concern you



So America is responsible to take in refugees in unlimited numbers from ever shithole country that's corrupt or led by inept governments?
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13371 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:46 pm to
Jesus Christ el Gaucho is a troll stop responding to him you idiots
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:47 pm to
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The fact that tourists have more rights than people who are literally coming here so they don't die should concern you
You mean tourists shouldn't have more rights than terrorists?
... or folks who have been screened as such?

Are you really that stupid?

Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53122 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:47 pm to
Dreamers literally risk their lives to be here the trek across the border is long and dangerous. Making that journey is their way of saying that they want to be an American, that they're risking their lives

Who is more American, the guy who risked his life to be here, or the guy who took a paper test and wrote what year Ben Franklin was president?
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12123 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:48 pm to
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Six immigrants brought to the United States as children who became teachers, graduate students and a lawyer
So some State admitted an illegal to the bar.

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The lawsuit filed in federal court in San Francisco
Why even wait for the ruling?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124189 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:48 pm to
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Jesus Christ el Gaucho is a troll
So is CNN. Should we stop addressing the idiocy of either?
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