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re: SIAP Lisa Murkowski denied communion, the priest who denied exiled by leftist Bishop
Posted on 3/12/21 at 8:56 pm to Mellow Drama
Posted on 3/12/21 at 8:56 pm to Mellow Drama
Roman Catholics are in for some very disappointing times in the future when the dark underbelly of the Roman See comes to light. I dare not refer to him as the Holy See. The Pope has knowingly done nothing to deter the pedo-culture/homosexuality within the priesthood. It is beyond disturbing.
This post was edited on 3/12/21 at 9:06 pm
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Posted on 3/12/21 at 10:12 pm to oilattorney4lsu
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He should be. I don’t want my priest judging my actions
You dont want the church leader to call your attention the callous treatment of an innocent life?
Youre going to be in for a huge shock when your access to Christ is finally granted. He aint going to commune with you either
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These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Posted on 3/12/21 at 10:46 pm to oilattorney4lsu
Well, your first problem is having a priest.
Your second is caring about his judgement or lack thereof.
Your second is caring about his judgement or lack thereof.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 4:46 am to oilattorney4lsu
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oilattorney4lsu
You might want to sit this one out. Scripture isn't on your side.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 5:21 am to Bestbank Tiger
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It's primarily in the global north that Catholics consider themselves entitled to Communion. In Latin America you see long confessional lines and short Communion lines because there, people have reverence for the Eucharist and won't receive it when they aren't properly disposed to do so.
This is true. I was visiting a poor community in mexico. The only recipients of the eucharist were young virgin girls and a couple of blue hairs maybe 10% of the old ladies in attendance). My host put his hand on my arm and shook his head no when he saw that i expected to get in line.
I thought i understood reverence for the eucharist (catholic school). I didnt have a clue.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 6:52 am to Mellow Drama
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It's pretty common knowledge that conservative priests get sent to small town / boondock parishes by liberal bishops, while liberal priests get the plush, prestigious city assignments. BS church politics been going on for years.
This shouldn't be considered a bad thing. The most holy man I have ever known was the pastor of a church whose highest attendance ever was 68. The leaders of giant churches are usually hypocrites. If you want to find a true Man of God, seek out smaller congregations where the preacher doesn't care about status or wealth. If a priest cares about his ranking in the church, he is not one to be listened to.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 6:53 am to mmcgrath
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Or who have been married multiple times?
Catholics who divorce and remarry without an annulment are expected to refrain from Communion, politician or not. Even getting married at the courthouse is a no-no unless you receive a Dispensation from Form.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:30 am to jimmarley
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Renounce the Roman beliefs and join the Reformation. "Sola Scriptura".
No thanks. You keep your man-made doctrines.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:31 am to AggieHank86
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Has Sen. Murkowski been running around and getting abortions?
Has Sen. Murkowski been running around and performing abortions?
My dear friend Hank:
In the unlikely event that you're actually interested in an answer to these questions, I suggest you return to page two of this thread and re-read the answer provided to you from Bestbank Tiger:
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A priest denied Holy Communion to a parishioner, because he did not like her politics?
Communion isn't just a silly ritual we do at Mass. You are receiving Christ, body and blood, soul and divinity, and you must be properly disposed to do so.
And abortion isn't a mere political disagreement. He didn't withhold Communion because she wants lower taxes or drilling on the north slope.
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Catholic politicians who vote for laws or fund bills that promote abortion should not present themselves for Holy Communion because they have committed the grave sin of formally cooperating with a grave evil. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (the future Pope Benedict XVI) said in 2004
The full treatment is as follows:
LINK
But in this instance the rule is clear.
Otherwise, your ham fisted attempts to play a clever trial lawyer interrogating a karen on a witness stand do not promote harmony and good warm feelings on this noble board.
If you don't like it when a Catholic priest actually enforces a church teaching, then kindly mind your own business.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:45 am to jimmarley
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Renounce the Roman beliefs and join the Reformation. "Sola Scriptura".
Sola Scriptura is NOT in the Scriptures!
Catholicism is the most Biblical, Orthodoxy is OK, but Sola Scriptura is 500 year old made up BS.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:47 am to Mellow Drama
So, random cleric Ratzinger (at the time) provided his opinion that an “errant” politician should be counseled and warned before denial of Holy Communion. Sounds like this Alaskan priest failed to do that. Of course, Ratzinger was not Pope at the time.
By contrast, then-Pope John Paul (since canonized) routinely gave communion to pro-choice politicians, such as Roman mayor Francesco Rutilli, in 2001, and to British prime minister Tony Blair in 2003.
In the US, the USCCB has stated that the individual priest is NOT to make these decisions unilaterally, but rather should consult with and defer to his bishop.
This guy is voluntarily a tiny, low-ranking cog in the world’s most rigidly-hierarchical organization, and he failed to follow orders from above. Of course he was punished.
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As an aside, is there anything on this forum more entertaining than those who downvote objective, verifiable fact .... because they don’t like that fact?
By contrast, then-Pope John Paul (since canonized) routinely gave communion to pro-choice politicians, such as Roman mayor Francesco Rutilli, in 2001, and to British prime minister Tony Blair in 2003.
In the US, the USCCB has stated that the individual priest is NOT to make these decisions unilaterally, but rather should consult with and defer to his bishop.
This guy is voluntarily a tiny, low-ranking cog in the world’s most rigidly-hierarchical organization, and he failed to follow orders from above. Of course he was punished.
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As an aside, is there anything on this forum more entertaining than those who downvote objective, verifiable fact .... because they don’t like that fact?
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:49 am to oilattorney4lsu
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If purity of heart or no sin was a requirement to receive communion
You don’t understand the Eucharist and Catholic faith but seem to speak so authoritatively about it. Par for the course for anti Catholics these days.
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 7:56 am to AggieHank86
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By contrast, then-Pope John Paul (since canonized) routinely gave communion to pro-choice politicians, such as Roman mayor Francesco Rutilli, in 2001, and to British prime minister Tony Blair in 2003.
And he was wrong to do that.
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In the US, the USCCB has stated that the individual priest is NOT to make these decisions unilaterally, but rather should consult with and defer to his bishop.
And this is 100% correct. As St. Ignatius of Antioch said in one of his famous letters (dated around the year AD 107), no one is to do anything without the consent and permission of the bishop.
However, that doesn't make the priest wrong for denying communion to someone he knows to be in a state of mortal sin. To do so would invite judgment on himself from Almighty God.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:03 am to RollTide1987
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Pope John Paul (since canonized)... was wrong to do that
You beat me to it, and said it better than I could have.
As fond as I am of Saint John Paul II, that doesn't mean that he was without mistakes. (the doctrine of papal infalliability has only been called upon twice in the history of the Church.)
While priests promise obedience to a bishop, that doesn't mean obeying when the bishop is permitting a moral evil. The priest did the right thing to deny communion to Sen. Murkowski. I can't judge the state of her soul before God, but for her, a lawmaker, to allow abortion, puts her soul in grave danger. I hope for her sake she uses her clout as a senator to protect the unborn.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:08 am to Mellow Drama
quote:quote:You beat me to it
Pope John Paul (since canonized)... was wrong to do that
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:11 am to AggieHank86
Just because someone has been canonized a saint doesn't mean they're perfect. St. Peter, considered to be the first pope of the Catholic Church, denied Christ three times and then refused to break bread with Gentiles who converted to Christianity. He was impetuous, insubordinate, and very stubborn. Yet we honor him as a saint because he was ultimately a man of God who never stopped pursuing perfection.
And then you have saints like Paul of Tarsus who straight-up persecuted/murdered Christians before converting to the faith. He is considered by many to be among the greatest and most influential Christians who ever lived.
And then you have saints like Paul of Tarsus who straight-up persecuted/murdered Christians before converting to the faith. He is considered by many to be among the greatest and most influential Christians who ever lived.
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:15 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:17 am to Mellow Drama
quote:Why do clergy and laymen alike shy away from doing the right thing because of uncomfortable consequences. This priest has balls and stuck his finger in the eye of secular correctness. Good for him!
Fr. Whitney, who grew up in Anchorage, must have known his withholding of communion from Murkowski because of her enthusiastic support of abortion would land him in hot water with the left leaning Bellisario.
You gotta breaks some eggs to make an omelet. Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:19 am to tigerpawl
quote:I suppose you can praise him for making a (what you believe to be) principled stand.
Why do clergy and laymen alike shy away from doing the right thing because of uncomfortable consequences. This priest has balls and stuck his finger in the eye of secular correctness. Good for him! You gotta breaks some eggs to make an omelet.
At the same time, you (and he) should accept that he would (and should) be punished for defying the USCCB. The hierarchy is inherent to Catholicism.
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:26 am to AggieHank86
You asked if Murkowski was getting her performing abortions, so I'll answer your question with another question...
Where the German politicians running around gassing Jews in the concentration camps?
Where the German politicians running around gassing Jews in the concentration camps?
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:30 am to JumpingTheShark
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You don’t understand the Eucharist and Catholic faith
But he's an attorney, thereby an expert at everything
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