re: Should we copy the Japanese school lunch program? (Yes, obviously we should)

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I'm not recommending that we implement anything remotely similar to that program

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No, you're recommending that we go a lot more extreme.

If you really want to emulate the Japanese.

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Very few kids would eat the "healthy" food. It's been tried, and most of it just ends up in the trash, uneaten

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Just put cheese on top of it!

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Those darn statistics rear their ugly head yet again...

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you've stumbled on to it haven't you.

you take any metric you'd care to pick and remove two groups people from those metrics and the US looks pretty good

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My take is maybe they should get their crap together. That would improve the lives for everyone.

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Maybe a small part of getting there would be better nutritional options for the lunches that taxpayers are paying for.

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Maybe a small part of getting there would be better nutritional options for the lunches that taxpayers are paying for.

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Give them options, the kids will chose the unhealthy option.

Can't give options.

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I asked why the swim team had a different nutrition plan them the rest of the school.

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It's a district wide nationally ranked program

Lol

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Yeah, that's...something.

And that brings up another point in all of this. People who embrace leftist ideals always swing and miss on two points because they vastly over estimate two things:

1. The ability of the government to reasonably implement whatever program it is that they are sure is the answer without completely 'effing it up

2. The willingness of the people they think they are going to help with said program to avail themselves of it in any healthy, constructive way

They assume that giving (usually poor) people more opportunities means they'll take the opportunities, completely ignoring the fact that those people need the help in the first place because they didn't take advantage of the opportunities they already had.

The problem in about 95% of the cases isn't lack of opportunity. It's the fact that they have no motivation to take it. The middle or upper class leftist trusts his or her own experience and thinks to themselves, "Well if someone gave me a better opportunity, sure, I'd take it," without realizing that these people are not like them. Their life experience is very different and therefore so is their response to "helpful" programs.

I found a small book one time that I ended up giving to my friend who is a judge called "Tactical Communication." It was written for law enforcement to help them deal with different types of people.

I have no idea where the author sourced this information, but he laid out a very compelling case that upper, middle, and lower class people think very differently from each other.

Interestingly, lower and upper class people had more in common than middle class people had with either group, because both lower and upper class people relied on community (who you know) whereas middle class people relied on achievement. In fact, according to him, the middle class is the only one of the three that even values achievement.

The upper class values credentials and connections, and fully expects them to pave their pathway forward. When stopped by a cop, they will ask, "Do you know who I am?" or "How is Judge Smith doing today? I haven't seen him since the barbecue at his house last month." They value Ivy League credentials and old money family connections.

The lower class also values community because they have to in order to survive. If you need a ride and there's only one neighbor on your block with a working vehicle, you better be on good terms with them. The lower class only thinks in terms of short term survival...which is why government programs designed to help them don't work. They literally can't think in terms of a five year plan or even a five month or five week plan. Because surviving day to day takes up so much mental and emotional bandwidth for them. They get so used to living that way and that's the way their parents lived and their parents and their parents, they can't think otherwise.

If someone wants to change the status quo, they need to figure out a way to change THAT. That's what keeps people down.

Middle class, we value opportunity and achievement. This is why people who lean left think all they have to do is present people with more/better opportunities and they will take them...because they see the world through middle class lenses.

We value things like going to an Ivy League school, but it's for a different reason than the upper class. Whereas they feel entitled to it and see it as the way that they will make connections that will pay dividends in the future, we see it primarily as an acknowledgment of achievement and a resume builder. They go for the fraternity buddies they will make. We go for the resume advantage.

We believe we make our own way in the world because we work hard and smart. Neither of the other two echelons either believe that or even care about it.

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Improving our school lunches doesn't require a homogeneous population

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Wrong.

It requires a shared set of values and beliefs and the easiest way for that to happen is a homogeneous population.

Everyone has to value healthy good to the same degree, to get this to work.

You think the American lunch lady is up for this challenge?

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Wrong.

It requires a shared set of values and beliefs and the easiest way for that to happen is a homogeneous population.

Everyone has to value healthy good to the same degree, to get this to work.

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So we should just give up on trying to ever improve anything since we don't have a homogeneous population? Sounds like brilliant governance. You should run for president.