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Should universities stop giving athletic scholarships? And other musings on college sports
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:25 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:25 am
Now that we have NIL I say that they should.
I also think that a large number of universities should abandon athletics all together. Most programs aren't profitable and the burden of a non profitable athletic program is pushed on to the other students in the form of tuition.
Why is this political? Well public universities get state funding so that's obvious enough. But it also increases student loan debt which has become a political football (I'm not on favor of publicly funded student loan forgiveness but you can bet this will resurface at some point and that would bring private universities into the equation also)
I also think that a large number of universities should abandon athletics all together. Most programs aren't profitable and the burden of a non profitable athletic program is pushed on to the other students in the form of tuition.
Why is this political? Well public universities get state funding so that's obvious enough. But it also increases student loan debt which has become a political football (I'm not on favor of publicly funded student loan forgiveness but you can bet this will resurface at some point and that would bring private universities into the equation also)
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:28 am to Powerman
I really don't know what the solution is but it is obvious that college sports are now professional sports and there are exactly zero sports leagues with teams where you 100% full free agency every year(or hell, within the year)
I think we're basically going to end up with some sort of so called developmental pro-league where the teams really aren't even composed of students and they wear the school colors mostly as a form of advertisement.
Basically, instead of calling them the Coca Cola Tigers, it'll be the LSU Tigers.
Even that though may fall apart and college sports may just completely die. I don't know. Maybe they should.
I think we're basically going to end up with some sort of so called developmental pro-league where the teams really aren't even composed of students and they wear the school colors mostly as a form of advertisement.
Basically, instead of calling them the Coca Cola Tigers, it'll be the LSU Tigers.
Even that though may fall apart and college sports may just completely die. I don't know. Maybe they should.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:29 am to Grumpy Nemesis
Imagine part of your tuition going to help people who have no chance of playing in the NFL get CTE
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:31 am to Powerman
Yes.
I feel hypocritical as I had athletic scholarship.
But, w NIL, the kids are professionals.
Additionally, it's unfair to allow kids otherwise unqualified into school simply because they are big or fast.
Admission should be merit only.
No racial shite. No athletics shite. No family alumni shite.
It's all a joke. We need to stop playing games.
I feel hypocritical as I had athletic scholarship.
But, w NIL, the kids are professionals.
Additionally, it's unfair to allow kids otherwise unqualified into school simply because they are big or fast.
Admission should be merit only.
No racial shite. No athletics shite. No family alumni shite.
It's all a joke. We need to stop playing games.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:31 am to Powerman
That's never going to happen. Universities parlay athletics into cash subsidies for academics. Regardless of Endowments or the NiL, athletics foot the bill, and you require success to maximize that profit.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:31 am to Powerman
quote:Oh, I agree it's political.
Why is this political?
Our universities are populated by leaders who have mastered the art of.....
1. Convincing everyone that MUST get a college education which leads to
2. Convincing everyone that government must subsidize effort while simultaneously
3. Simply using the guaranteed subsidies to justify every growing tuition in a vicious circle
American Universities have become a complete joke
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:32 am to Powerman
quote:
Imagine part of your tuition going to help people who have no chance of playing in the NFL get CTE
Heck, I'm still trying to figure out why going to college requires a water part of some variation thereof!!!
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:33 am to OchoDedos
quote:
Regardless of Endowments or the NiL, athletics foot the bill, and you require success to maximize that profit.
Most athletic programs operate at a huge loss
I'm not sure how much the scholarships move the numbers but it does seem to be a complete waste of money
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:34 am to OchoDedos
quote:
That's never going to happen. Universities parlay athletics into cash subsidies for academics
This has always been true but I fail to see how universities will be able to continue this if you have NIL + 100% free agency.
Can you even imagine what NFL salaries would be if there were 100% free agency? The league would go bankrupt in short order.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:35 am to Powerman
NIL recipients should absolutely pay their own tuition, lodging, books, etc.....
We will never know who pays what anyway, so it is all mute.
College sports, the new love/hate relationship!
We will never know who pays what anyway, so it is all mute.
College sports, the new love/hate relationship!
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:36 am to Powerman
When it gets down to it, all college sports should be amateur and voluntary, not related to them attending the university. They shouldn’t be sport factories but academic factories.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:36 am to Powerman
quote:
Most athletic programs operate at a huge loss
And the ones that do make money pretty much REQUIRE the existence of the ones who lose money or at least, the existence of a large number of solvent programs.
I can see NIL getting to a point where you might be lucky if 20 D1 Football programs can remain out of the red.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:37 am to Privateer 2007
quote:
But, w NIL, the kids are professionals.
This is a very small % of college athletes. There are a handful of female athletes who get legitimate NIL money because of their looks and social medial presence. Then there are men’s basketball and football players who are the ones you are referring to (and a small minority of overall college scholarship recipients).
The two revenue generating sports are more likely to break away somehow before college sports goes away all together.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:39 am to Powerman
Finally, college viewership is taken as some sort of permanent given.
I certainly think it's going to stick around for a while, but I can tell you that I know a LOT of people who are lifetime huge college football fans who are far less engaged now than they used to be. I'm one of them.
I mean shite. The days of watching players matriculate thru your program from minor contributors to solid Jrs and Srs are basically dead.
I certainly think it's going to stick around for a while, but I can tell you that I know a LOT of people who are lifetime huge college football fans who are far less engaged now than they used to be. I'm one of them.
I mean shite. The days of watching players matriculate thru your program from minor contributors to solid Jrs and Srs are basically dead.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:39 am to Bwmdx
quote:
When it gets down to it, all college sports should be amateur and voluntary, not related to them attending the university. They shouldn’t be sport factories but academic factories.
They still serve their purpose as academic factories but at a higher cost to society because of athletics. Maybe society can afford that cost but maybe it shouldn't regardless.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:41 am to Grumpy Nemesis
quote:
certainly think it's going to stick around for a while, but I can tell you that I know a LOT of people who are lifetime huge college football fans who are far less engaged now than they used to be. I'm one of them.
I mean shite. The days of watching players matriculate thru your program from minor contributors to solid Jrs and Srs are basically dead.
Agreed. I'm on the same boat. And then with all of that ridiculous shite they have the nerve to have their hand out for donation to NIL collectives. I'd rather give a homeless pan handler the last dollar to my name than give money to an NIL collective.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:41 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
Watched a couple DII and DIII games last year and found it reminded me a lot more of the football I grew up loving.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:46 am to Powerman
There are many different types of universities.
Some focus on science, technology, medicine
Some focus on business
Some focus on arts and entertainment
Some are liberal arts only
Maybe we should have colleges that focus on athletics
Athletics is also a branch of entertainment and is a big business (hundreds of billions) unto itself that requires marketing, accounting, science and medicine.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
And unfortunately the cost of that was funded by students that mostly don't care about it
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Watched a couple DII and DIII games last year and found it reminded me a lot more of the football I grew up loving.
ABSOLUTELY!
And, I've taken to watching more HS.
I watched the state title game in my state this past year and it was fricking off the chain and we aren't even a big HS football state like many in the SE.
I had more fun at that game than any college game I've been in person for since Burrow destroyed OK in ATL. And, if I'm being honest here, that environment was still stale as frick and most of my excitement was my son getting to see the 1st step to LSU winning a title.
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