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re: Should Obama be impeached over Berghdal?

Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:14 pm to
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Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!


You must be tired of answering this.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:16 pm to
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I know he likely won't be, but should he?
Honestly, I can't imagine him getting impeached over that unless someone had proof that there was something shady to the deal other than sheer stupidity.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:18 pm to
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The Administration enjoys the moral high ground in saving an American soldier who was held by the Taliban as a POW for five years. We're America and we don't leave any of our soldiers behind.


He wasn't held by the Taliban

And based on the looks of it it seems like he assimilated to his captors, not like he was being tortured every day like Vietnam POWs were
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:19 pm to
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There is nothing more self-defeating than impeaching a man who has no chance of being convicted. No Republican should even utter the word in public between now and November 4th. Doing so would take Obamacare, the VA, Benghazi, the IRS, the NSA, etc., off the table for the 2014 elections. The Democrats would like nothing better than being given such a cause celebre before the elections.


It's thinking like this that gets us into the messes we are in as a country, making decisions on political expediency rather than trying to do the right thing
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:22 pm to
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Great article about Bergdahl



LINK


First comment on the article nails it, and the comment was written a year ago

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I WAS THERE. I'm sick of all the lies. Here is the TRUTH, from someone on the ground. We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Matrixman
Texas
Member since Apr 2010
719 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:23 pm to
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This entire debacle is absolutely disgusting


This whole Berghdal debacle made me sick to my stomach. Now we're learning the parents of one of the soldiers [Lt. Darryn Andrews] killed while looking for this piece of shite was lied to by this administration as to how their son really died. They lied to them just like they lied to the parents and loved ones of those brave soliders who died at Benghazi. Lies...lies....and more lies.

When will America finally get enough of the deception and lies by this President? We surrended five high profile terrorists in exchange for a traitor? Unbelieveable!!

Barack Hussein Obama needs to be impeached NOW!

All of you.....do what I did this morning when I learned the disturbing details of this exchange, and of the brave men who died looking for this coward. Call your U. S. Representatives and Senators and demand they introduce Articles of Impeachment against Barack Hussein Obama. If they refuse, call your state legislators and demand that Articles of Secession be introducted into your respective state legislative bodies. Keep calling over and over and over until the Washington crowd finally gets it through their thick bureaucratic skulls we've had enough of this obama fraud.

IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:25 pm to
Oh, the Haqquanis. I'm sure the American public will really appreciate the difference
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:26 pm to
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if he didn't do it, people would accuse of being out of touch and aloof.

He hasn't done it till now and I never heard any outcry about his failing to do it.

To the OP, probably, based on what facts come out or speculations that are confirmed.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:28 pm to
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On top of all of this, he directly violated a law that he himself signed by not including Congress before making a deal.

Don't you remember.....Obama has a phone and a pen.......he will act if Congress will not. Laws do not matter to him, unless of course he agrees with it.
Posted by lsudude24
Boulder, CO
Member since Sep 2005
2340 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:29 pm to
Mission accomplished. The administration has diverted attention from the VA scandal and the mainstream media have fallen in lockstep. We could have seen something like this coming.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84561 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:31 pm to
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All of you.....do what I did this morning when I learned the disturbing details of this exchange, and of the brave men who died looking for this coward. Call your U. S. Representatives and Senators and demand they introduce Articles of Impeachment against Barack Hussein Obama. If they refuse, call your state legislators and demand that Articles of Secession be introducted into your respective state legislative bodies. Keep calling over and over and over until the Washington crowd finally gets it through their thick bureaucratic skulls we've had enough of this obama fraud.

IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!


I wonder if this will catch on all over the country.

I just think this will be an uphill battle, unless the military allows the investigation to go wherever it may truthfully go.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:34 pm to
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There is nothing more self-defeating than impeaching a man who has no chance of being convicted. No Republican should even utter the word in public between now and November 4th. Doing so would take Obamacare, the VA, Benghazi, the IRS, the NSA, etc., off the table for the 2014 elections. The Democrats would like nothing better than being given such a cause celebre before the elections.


I don't think it will happen that quickly. Per my earlier post, I would be willing to be the Administration will try to fend off or delay any attempt at Impeachment by challenging the law in front of the SCOTUS. What this means is that there would first end up being a special investigator or investigating committee set up. After months of going over data and having hearings, the absolute earliest any findings would be put out would be the Fall 9and that's being very generous).

The next step would be the Administration challenging the law before the SCOTUS as unConstitutional. That decision could take a week or a couple of months (considering the immediate importance of the answer, I believe they would do it like the ACA and answer quickly).

So the absolute outside earliers any Impeachment hearings could start would be right at election time, but again that's being incredibly generous on the time table. Add to that other Congressional investigations going on at the time as well and it paints any Dems supporting the President in a pretty bleak light.

Most likely things would shake out just after the elections, which should see the GOP winning back the Senate if everything with the ACA keeps roughly poking the Dems in the keister.

The only saving grace the Dems and (more importantly) the President have would be the SCOTUS to find in his favor and that decision coming out just prior to the elections. That decision could easily be used to propagandize how the GOP is just making things up, tilting at windmills, etc.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87648 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:36 pm to
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We're America and we don't leave any of our soldiers behind.


Bit of a slap in the face to the families of those guys who died in Benghazi, no?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84561 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:37 pm to
If a Republican tries to tie this issue to Benghazi on those grounds, he's got a bigger pair of nuts than I do.

That just seems like political suicide.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87648 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:38 pm to
I'm not suggesting that they should.

I'm just speaking from a personal POV. To me, morally speaking, it's a slap in the face to those people.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted by HarveyDent
Harvey
Member since May 2014
58 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:40 pm to
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There is nothing more self-defeating than impeaching a man who has no chance of being convicted. No Republican should even utter the word in public between now and November 4th. Doing so would take Obamacare, the VA, Benghazi, the IRS, the NSA, etc., off the table for the 2014 elections. The Democrats would like nothing better than being given such a cause celebre before the elections.


You are on the right track, but allow me to highlight a trend here for you: Have you guys noticed that, whenever there is a 'scandal', another 'scandal' seems to pop up, taking the previous 'scandal' off the front pages?

I'll work in reverse here. A POW, apparently to most now (the media included), not worth the trouble rescuing. Now hearings are being called on to figure out why this deal was ok. How does T.Gowdy even put on a straight face, and investigate Benghazi with his chief complaint being 'this Administration does not care about the safety of its people abroad', or didn't provide enough security, when it just gave everything to get one of its own back?

I'm pretty sure this Administration is attempting to control the narrative now by manufacturing faux scandals or 'good stories'. The VA and the NSA also appear to be 'scandals' they have controlled to counter real problems.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:40 pm to
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we don't leave any of our soldiers behind.


If someone leaves on their own did "we" leave him behind? That is my struggle.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37072 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:44 pm to
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A president above the law is indeed a brave new world
Yeah, totally never happened before.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37072 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:47 pm to
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NC_Tigah
Clearly you can see what a horrible, horrible decision it would be for some wingnuts to begin some Congressional hearings over this. The R's would get shut out in November.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 1:52 pm to
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Yeah, totally never happened before.


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