re: Should marriage be changed

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What about gay married couples adopting?

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I know you weren't asking me, but what about it?

We have plenty of research that indicates that children do better with a mom and a dad in the house.

What exactly are you asking?

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We really have descended into filth since we became so "tolerant" of certain deviancy. There's no end to the freak show.

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This!

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We have evidence that a mom and a dad is good for a child. Obviously this means that 2 sodomites can raise a child!

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I think we are of the same mind here, but your posts are sufficiently cryptic that I can't tell for sure.

I think the research indicates that children are best off with a mom and a dad. A biological mom and dad.

Blended families are sometimes necessary, but should be the rare exception rather than the norm. Because we also have plenty of evidence that having men in the household other than biological fathers raises the risk of child sexual abuse significantly. This is especially true when we're just talking about live-in boyfriends rather than husband, but the stepdad husband is a much bigger risk than the biological dad.

The problem with way too much gay family research is that the methodology of it is often very poor. Sometimes what will pass as "collecting data" in these "studies" is a single phone call to the gay parents—using no vetted measurement tool—asking them whether everyone is happy with the arrangement.

so a couple of gay dudes - or whatever you call it when it's a dude and a dude pretending to be a girl - should ruin it for just regular gay people?
nah

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I think we are of the same mind here, but your posts are sufficiently cryptic that I can't tell for sure.

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Apologies. I had too many beers during the football game. Let me be clearer. It’s bad for gays to be allowed to purchase children

He said he didn't care what adults did, just leave kids out of it. He also said he didn't have an issue with gay marriage as long as they were committed because it didn't impact him. Adoption by gay married couples is more than just gay marriage and I was wanting to see if he opposed it. It is part of the slippery slope.

Gay couples aren't a mom and a dad, so what was your point?

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It’s bad for gays to be allowed to purchase children

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Agreed.

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My point is that gay adoption is not consistent with the entire body of research regarding what's in children's best interest. There may be "studies" that indicate that children do fine with two moms or dads, but be weary of it b/c a lot of gay family research is flawed and biased. In the context of the data we have (like live-in boyfriends in heterosexual relationships), it's unlikely that gay family relationships are as great as they made out to be.

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We are in agreement, I think. I am opposed to gay couples adopting. If they want to have a civil union, I would not oppose that as long as they weren't able to adopt. I know there is an any home is better than no home type argument, but I don't think that is true.

You obviously hate gay marriage but have given no reason for your stance. You just attack mine. My reasons are well thought out and I do have gay friends. Being moderate is not being milque toast. It’s just you name calling.

While I don’t condone the lifestyle and my religious belief is it’s a sin, I do not lump homosexuality in with the Trans crowd. I wish instead of calling it “marriage” it could have been kept to civil union though.

Here is how I rationalize it in my mind. I don’t like grapes. Why..I don’t know but I just don’t. One of my buddies loves grapes. Why…don’t know but he does. Just like when I see a man’s hairy arse it just doesn’t do anything for me but to a gay guy, it turns him on. I don’t think it means he had a mental disorder, it’s just how he is wired. To me, whomever someone else wants to share their life and their bed with is none of my business just like mine is none of there’s. Just call it a civil union and be done with it.

Now transgenders to me is a mental disorder just like anorexia. No different. Some skinny chic looks in a mirror and sees herself as fat and takes extreme measures to lose weight which ends up causing real physical damage to her body. That is the same as some chic looking in a mirror and thinking she is a dude which leads her to taking extreme medical measures which cause irreversible damage to their body.

Trans people need mental help. Gay people just need to realize they achieved what they fought for, so now just shut up and live your lives.

I have two cousins, one male, one female, both from different set of Aunt/Uncle, that are gay. I love them both to death. Both are in their forties, have been openly gay since high school, both have long term partners, and both have been overall successful in their private and professional lives. I wouldn’t consider either one of them as mentally off. I disagree with their lifestyle and think it is sinful but that is between them and God and not for me to judge. As a straight Christian man, I have also lived a sinful, different type, but just as sinful life as them, or any other person on Earth. It is not for me to judge them but just to love them and continue to share Christs love for them. Just as it is our place as a compassionate society to try and get the trans folks the metal help they need and not hurt them further by accepting and feeding into their delusion.