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re: Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?

Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:49 pm to
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You’re a proven liar.

Prove it, asswipe.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40887 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:54 pm to
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Prove it, asswipe.

You were believe all women with Kavanaugh. When someone called you out in the Tara Reade thread, you were nowhere to be found. That was (D)ifferent.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7888 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:02 pm to
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What does that have to do with bribes?


So... Nixon was immune ... Interesting take. You should be so proud. Sharp legal mind and all ..,
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46032 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:05 pm to
It’s extremely relevant. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. Some legitimate threshold of Evidence and solid legal foundation matters.

Trying to box a politician in to an immunity defense using hocus pocus, to manufacture a legal precedent to bail your own guy out is Soviet level bullshite.

We don’t have to entertain this as something it isn’t just because you want to.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465669 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:17 pm to
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Some legitimate threshold of Evidence and solid legal foundation matters.

That's already been met.

That's why the motion to dismiss is based on immunity instead.

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We don’t have to entertain this as something it isn’t just because you want to.

It's literally a motion that is going before the Supreme Court in time.

It's being entertained by people much more important than us in the legal system, so I think we can discuss it.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41987 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:18 pm to
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That absolute immunity means absolute immunity? Absolutely


What if you are wrong and they do have it?

Doesn’t that potentially help Biden, in the event that Trump is elected?

On a final note, are you excluding the UCMJ?

I mean, as CiC, a president could have “absolute immunity” from civilian prosecution, but still be prosecuted via the UCMJ.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56691 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:21 pm to
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Prove it, asswipe.


Easy. You still believe in muh Russia.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11152 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:23 pm to
Presidents should not have immunity, Congress should not be allowed to inside trade, all political office should have term limits.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465669 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:23 pm to
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What if you are wrong and they do have it?

Then we better pray for absolutely honorable men mobility forward.

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you excluding the UCMJ?

I don't see how that would apply.

The President does not enlist in, and he is not inducted or drafted into, the armed forces. Nor, is he subject to court-martial or other military discipline.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46032 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:28 pm to
It being injected into a corrupt system and having to be addressed means very little in terms of the legitimacy of the charge. GTFO with this logic. They can do anything they want.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465669 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:30 pm to
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means very little in terms of the legitimacy of the charge.

That has literally nothing to do with this discussion.

Stop trying to create a digression.

Posted by TuDog
Boston
Member since Jun 2005
4425 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:33 pm to
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What about taking bribes after he's in office?


Yes. You satisfied now pussy?
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2012
8141 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:38 pm to
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SFP is trying to play gotcha. It’s his thing. I wish people would ignore him and maybe he would disappear


Late to the party. Not sure if it's been explained to Super Slow Flow yet but ALL of the publicly exposed bribes and overwhelming evidence of his family's corruption happened before Hyden Biden was installed as POTUS.

What PDJT is claiming as Presidential Immunity is simply fascist, neo-communist Lawfare Bull Shite charges that would have occurred while he was the POTUS.

Is this a trick question phrasing it While in Office? It is possible considering Hunter was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for his shite paintings that any reasonable person knows was simply a payoff like book deals and Netflix Contracts?

If it can be proven he was in on the negotiations for the price of Hunter's so-called art, why would this be any different from a Nixon or Watergate situation?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46032 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:41 pm to
Stop trying to police what’s discussed in the thread. If your arguments aren’t strong enough, get new arguments
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41987 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:41 pm to
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The President does not enlist in, and he is not inducted or drafted into, the armed forces. Nor, is he subject to court-martial or other military discipline.


Iirc, if the court system is suspended, for whatever reason, then non-military personnel can be tried via the UCMJ, but only for sedition and/or treason. Am I wrong on this?
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40887 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:42 pm to
Every American President since the end of WW2 would be hung if the Nuremberg laws were applied to them. The idea that Trump is some sort of deviation from decency is not only a lie, it may be the biggest one ever told by the American political establishment other than Oswald killed Kennedy.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41987 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:48 pm to
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Every American President since the end of WW2 would be hung if the Nuremberg laws were applied to them.


Didn’t Obama knowingly drone a US citizen? I mean, he was supposedly aligned with terrorists, so that is something to consider (context). Yet, wouldn’t that still be considered murder under the legal system?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465669 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:50 pm to
I'm not an expert on the UCMJ but I don't think it's jurisdiction extends beyond those in the military.

The President is a civilian position and the Constitution makes it 100% clear this law cannot apply to him..
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40887 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:54 pm to
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Didn’t Obama knowingly drone a US citizen?

Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki. He was a 16 year old boy. He also had a secret kill list that his administration fought against becoming public. He also prosecuted more whistle-blowers than every prior administration combined. Obama was simply a neocon disguised as a generational reformer.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:54 pm to
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Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?


Step one: House impeaches.

Step two: senate convicts and removes.

Step three: DOJ prosecutes for any crimes the sentate finds the president guilty of under the criminal standard.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 9:55 pm
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