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re: Shortage of economically attractive partners for unmarried women to marry
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:17 am to TheFirstSaints
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:17 am to TheFirstSaints
quote:It's kinda hard to tell for sure.
I'd be curious to find out what you think the sociological consequences are going to be both short term and long term.
But, the simple fact is, partner searching is a matter of fishing for a limited number of fish in whatever pool you're searching.
Women, over the last 4-5 decades have become more affluent which, that's great for them. But, they really haven't changed a single thing about what they look for in a man as they've done it.
So, that means there are increasing numbers of women partner searching in the pools with the fewest men.
Moreover, at precisely the same time, those male pools are actually shrinking(due to competition from women). Again, that's great for women economically, but, not so great if they keep their same partner search criteria.
Meanwhile, like any supply and demand system, the men in these smaller pools are confronted with copious choices for arse at precisely the same time that legally speaking, choosing poorly can totally frick you.
So, what do the men do? Simple. Treat these women as disposable depreciating commodities.
Now, women complain incessantly about this, but, the thing is, the men didn't change. The women did. They need to look in the mirror.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:20 am to TheFirstSaints
quote:I can see why some might think this is a possibility.
I'm guessing you're mostly concerned that it creates a permanent ruling class and a permanent under class? Where the kids born to wealthy parents have such a significant advantage even at birth (never mind during the school years) that kids born to working class parents don't have a chance?
But, what I see is a society where women become more and more disposable in terms of partnerships and paradoxically, as they become more affluent themselves, they become essentially ONLY good for one thing to men...………...fricking.
It's funny. Women decided the reasons men used to be attracted to them and want them as partners were all bad...……..so, they've set about eliminating those reasons...…...leaving only the pussy remaining.
What exactly did sociologists looking at this think would happen?
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:20 am to TheFirstSaints
LINK
Clark suggests that mobility doesn’t really exist. Not in the way we thought.
It takes several generations to see any actual mobility. And that has a lot to do with inherited genetic advantages, and the culture that is passed down to us as children.
He found that government intervention had no effect on rates of social mobility, mobility rates are the same in the US and Sweden.
India, with the caste system, had absolutely zero social mobility.
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Clark examines and compares surnames in such diverse cases as modern Sweden and Qing Dynasty China. He demonstrates how fate is determined by ancestry and that almost all societies have similarly low social mobility rates. Challenging popular assumptions about mobility and revealing the deeply entrenched force of inherited advantage, The Son Also Rises is sure to prompt intense debate for years to come.
Clark suggests that mobility doesn’t really exist. Not in the way we thought.
It takes several generations to see any actual mobility. And that has a lot to do with inherited genetic advantages, and the culture that is passed down to us as children.
He found that government intervention had no effect on rates of social mobility, mobility rates are the same in the US and Sweden.
India, with the caste system, had absolutely zero social mobility.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:20 am to TheFirstSaints
You need to google Frankie Cola and take one of his courses. Attractive women play games, he teaches you how to reverse the psychology. Seriously check it out.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:33 am to ShortyRob
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Women decided the reasons men used to be attracted to them and want them as partners were all bad...……..so, they've set about eliminating those reasons...…...leaving only the pussy remaining.
I have often said similar things. Men wanted women who had the skills to keep a home. They wanted a woman who could cook, clean, sew, etc. Women told women that these skills were outdated, so most women abandoned them. Men wanted a woman who was polite, kind, nurturing, and would make them feel relaxed and welcome when they came home from work. Women told women that men need to pull their weight, that women should be competitive and demanding. Men want to eventually become fathers. Women told other women to focus on their careers first and that being “just a a mother” made them somehow less-than.
So, women, by and large, have basically become nagging, insufferable children with no home-making skills, no common-interests, no interesting hobbies other than bad reality tv, no desire to raise children (they might want to have them, but don’t want to raise them personally) and cannot understand why men seem to only be interested in them for casual sex.
Women who make an effort to be interesting to men in ways other than sex attract men’s interests in sex AND other things.
Short version: feminists told women to not care about most of the things men want in relationships other than sex leading to men only being interested in women for sex because they have nothing else worthwhile to offer as human beings.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:37 am to TheFirstSaints
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I'd be curious to find out what you think the sociological consequences are going to be both short term and long term.
creating different classes of people with wildly divergent potential/futures
kids from 2-parent homes DOMINATE kids from 1-parent/broken homes in terms of outcome. creating a cultural divide between economic/class differences in accepting marriage is going to severely reinforce these differences and expand the gap
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Where the kids born to wealthy parents have such a significant advantage even at birth (never mind during the school years) that kids born to working class parents don't have a chance?
on the meta level? yes
especially with how difficult (and now expensive) the gatekeeping functions will be. strapping the small population of 1-parent kids to insane debt to get a college degree creates a double disadvantage that makes any climb out of that sociological abyss less likely
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:39 am to ShortyRob
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But, what I see is a society where women become more and more disposable in terms of partnerships and paradoxically, as they become more affluent themselves, they become essentially ONLY good for one thing to men...………...fricking.
see: hookup culture in college
this mindset/culture plus a severe sex ratio imbalance has made a generation of college women nothing more than frick toys
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:45 am to kingbob
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So, women, by and large, have basically become nagging, insufferable children with no home-making skills
this isn't just women. there is a huge cultural push with younger gen x through young millenials to value nostalgia
kind of like how hookup aps helped accelerate the hookup culture that is destroying proper relationship-sex balance, streaming media apps have helped accelerate the nostalgia culture. it's rewarding a child-like mentality with child-like values
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
I believe it is because children are easier to coral, manipulate, and control. It’s the same reason manipulative people treat their SO’s like children. They want them to think like children so they can control them like a parent rather than a partner.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:54 am to kingbob
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Men wanted a woman who was polite, kind, nurturing, and would make them feel relaxed and welcome
Those qualities are still very attractive.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:55 am to Lima Whiskey
Of course they are, and they’re rarer than ever.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 8:59 am to kingbob
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I have often said similar things. Men wanted women who had the skills to keep a home. They wanted a woman who could cook, clean, sew, etc. Women told women that these skills were outdated, so most women abandoned them. Men wanted a woman who was polite, kind, nurturing, and would make them feel relaxed and welcome when they came home from work. Women told women that men need to pull their weight, that women should be competitive and demanding. Men want to eventually become fathers. Women told other women to focus on their careers first and that being “just a a mother” made them somehow less-than. So, women, by and large, have basically become nagging, insufferable children with no home-making skills, no common-interests, no interesting hobbies other than bad reality tv, no desire to raise children (they might want to have them, but don’t want to raise them personally) and cannot understand why men seem to only be interested in them for casual sex. Women who make an effort to be interesting to men in ways other than sex attract men’s interests in sex AND other things.
Absolutely right. My wife is a ninja in the kitchen and with a sewing machine. 11th anniversary coming up, no affairs, no end in sight.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:15 am to kingbob
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This is why Hallmark Channel Christmas movies are so hilarious to me. They’re essentially a parody of feminism. In every movie, the woman has a high-powered demanding career in the big city and gives it up to be with the rugged blue collar man from her home town who usually has a cute kid or a dog.
I find these hilarious as well. Women cry and act like they want this for themselves so much but would absolutely never do this IRL. Maybe some of these women should do some introspection on why they like these Hallmark Channel Christmas movies so much.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:18 am to Lima Whiskey
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Men wanted a woman who was polite, kind, nurturing, and would make them feel relaxed and welcome Those qualities are still very attractive.
IDK, my wife is not polite, kind or nurturing.
She's attractive, fit, intelligent and sarcastic as hell. But I find those qualities more appealing than polite, kind and nurturing.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
All this thread has proven is that Gavin McInnes was again, 100% correct when he said this:
LINK
God that’s such a great clip.
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"The big picture here is women do earn less in America because they choose to. They would rather go to their daughter’s piano recital than stay all night at work, working on a proposal so they end up earning less. They're less ambitious. I think this is nature's way of saying women should be at home with the kids. They're happier there,"
LINK
God that’s such a great clip.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:37 am to chalmetteowl
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a lot of women had to settle for guys they didn’t really want that much
The men they married were matches for the better of the group and society and prioritized familial/community bonds. Now women could marry a dude they met on tinder a week ago.
The problem is are women prioritizing the right things when dating? Same goes for men.
What's happened is most men/women are growing up playing the "dating game" and then marriage is just an extended dating game to them. They're addicted to the vanity of dating where you never have to take off the mask, where both people try to match without ever revealing themselves.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 9:39 am to Zach
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She's attractive, fit, intelligent and sarcastic as hell. But I find those qualities more appealing than polite, kind and nurturing.
And eventually she wont be attractive or fit. How will you see her then?
And it's also funny how easily you cast off kindness as important attribute.
Kindness isnt an immutable characteristic. You dont have to be born kind to be kind.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 9:41 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:00 am to tiggerthetooth
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And eventually she wont be attractive or fit. How will you see her then?
I won't see her. I'll be dead. Unless she gets fat and ugly in the next ten years.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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this isn't just women. there is a huge cultural push with younger gen x through young millenials to value nostalgia
kind of like how hookup aps helped accelerate the hookup culture that is destroying proper relationship-sex balance, streaming media apps have helped accelerate the nostalgia culture. it's rewarding a child-like mentality with child-like values
I’ve been saying the push for constant nostalgia is over the top and not good for a while and it seems like academics/the media is starting to pick up on it.
I knew things were getting weird when I started seeing so many childless adults regularly going to Disney, having a Disney honeymoon, etc
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:19 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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I knew things were getting weird when I started seeing so many childless adults regularly going to Disney, having a Disney honeymoon, etc
They sound emotionally stunted.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 10:34 am
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