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re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 5:12 pm to RightWingTiger
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You don't think SF would try to stop u from running to the 2 one 1st & 2nd?
The immediately kneel at the 3.
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re: Check in if you knew that was way too much time left
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:45 pm to Hangover Haven
I actually didn't celebrate at all and left the bar I was watching the game at because I knew we had just lost the game.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:44 pm to ellis197575
I'd be more inclined to fire CSP over making the same mistakes over and over again late in the game than I would for taking a risk and changing it up.
I would've had more respect for CSP if Smith had gone down at the 1 and he bled the clock, allowing the offense to potentially win the game.
Sure everyone else in the coaching community would've ripped him, but who cares. It would've showed us Saints fans that he's willing to take a chance and more importantly that he's willing to change tactics when something isn't working.
Our defense late in the game is a tactic that doesn't work!!
I would've had more respect for CSP if Smith had gone down at the 1 and he bled the clock, allowing the offense to potentially win the game.
Sure everyone else in the coaching community would've ripped him, but who cares. It would've showed us Saints fans that he's willing to take a chance and more importantly that he's willing to change tactics when something isn't working.
Our defense late in the game is a tactic that doesn't work!!
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:35 pm to TwoDatBait
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Yea cuz we were guaranteed a TD trying to push it in against the best DL in the league....
I know what was guaranteed. That our defense, a defense that hadn't stopped the 49ers all game lone, would not be able to stop the 49ers from getting the winning FG.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:31 pm to ellis197575
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You would be on here bitching and moaning if Smith took a knee at the 1 and then the Saints failed to punch it in. Smart guy, you go down at the 1 or wherever you like if you need a FG to win but not if you need a TD. Go look up the winning % of each scenario. That's what coaches at the elite level go by. When they scored their last TD, I'm guessing you could tell what was going to happen? You knew it would be 4th and 2 and things would go as they did?
I'll take the risk because at least we have a chance with the offense. We have NO CHANCE with the defense.
Just so you know, I watched this game at a Saints bar in Florida. I was disgusted and left the bar immediately after the TD was scored. Just followed the final part of the game on my phone.
Do you know why I did that? Because I already knew the outcome, I know we were going to lose. I knew there was no way we would have any chance to stop them on defense.
I've seen this whole story before so yes I did know what was going to happen.
If we had taken a knee at the 1 though I don't know what would happen. And that's the point, I would actually have hope that we would win!!!
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:28 pm to Whodat850
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At this point it’s a risk I want Payton and the saints to take. frick the defense in the final minute of any big game.
Agreed. I know it's not guaranteed. There could be a fumble or an INT but at this point I'm tired of seeing our defense lose us important games.
I'd rather switch it up and see Payton risk it with the offense.
re: The silver lining is that the 9ers defense does not scare me
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:23 pm to shel311
And the 49ers sure as heck aren't scared of us. And they know it'll be even tougher for us having to go to SF in the playoffs.
Our defense probably doesn't stop the SF offense one time out there. If we play the 49ers in the playoffs Drew and the offense will need to score a TD on EVERY POSSESSION!
Our defense probably doesn't stop the SF offense one time out there. If we play the 49ers in the playoffs Drew and the offense will need to score a TD on EVERY POSSESSION!
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:21 pm to ellis197575
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So, I'm guessing you feel you could GUARANTEE that the Saints could've punched it in from the 1.
We lost to a better team, get over it! In the NFL, there's no guarantees. How much shyt would this board be talking if Smith took a knee at the 1 and then the Saints fumbled the next play OR simply failed to punch it in?
If the D plays better....we probably win.
If Kamara doesn't fumble....we probably win.
That's just two scenarios.
I'm saying in this scenario I'll take my chances with Drew Brees and the offense over our defense. If you're being honest you would feel the same way.
Be honest, like me you knew deep down the Saints lost this game when we scored with 53 seconds left.
Note to Drew Brees
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:19 pm
Do not ever trust this defense to ever hold a lead for you. Assume that you need to score with 5 seconds or less left.
If you do this you have a chance to win another SB before retiring. If you rely on this defense they WILL destroy your chances in the playoffs EVERY TIME!
Learn from this.
If you do this you have a chance to win another SB before retiring. If you rely on this defense they WILL destroy your chances in the playoffs EVERY TIME!
Learn from this.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:15 pm to LSU_30A
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but if not you have to hope the defense can hold.
No you don't!!! You realize that the defense WILL FAIL YOU!!! I wouldn't trust this defense with a 7 point lead with the opponent having 15 seconds left and no TO's. I have no faith at all in this defense.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:11 pm to LSU_30A
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And what happens if we fumble or get called for holding? Then you are scrambling to get the TD. You take the points when you can and hope you can get the 2 point conversion but if not you have to hope the defense can hold.
Doesn't matter. At least the game is in the hands of the offense. If they lose it they lose it. But I trust the offense over the defense in that situation.
Even if we had gotten the 2 point conversion SF would've scored a TD. How many times do you have to see the same old story to realize that our defense will NEVER stop a good offense when it counts.
So the solution is to take the defense out of the equation. Rely on the offense to win the game instead of the defense.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:09 pm to Pauldean
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I see your point and your conviction to it.
But I’ve seen many goal line stands this year in the NFL to win games. And I’ve seen the Saints fail I side the five and on 2pt conversions.
So honestly, the analytics never had us at 90%. Even if we kneel at the 1 on that TD we aren’t at 90%.
We HAVE to score a TD with less than 20sec left and SF with no TOs to get to a 90% win percentage.
That’s a lot of what-ifs.
But you agree that it gives us a much better chance to win than scoring with 53 seconds and relying on a defense that hasn't stopped SF all day to try to keep them out of field goal range.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:08 pm to hugo_boss
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Even without hindsight I wished Smith would have given himself up at the one. I've just seen this play out too many times. Most will say you don't take points off the board but I trust Drew from the one with 3 tries to punch it in much more than I trust our defense to make a stop there. I don't know how you blame that on Payton however, when there was no way for him to know exactly what was going to happen on that play. The 2 pt play was awful though.
Exactly. I trust the offense to score a TD far more than I trust the defense to keep the opponents offense out of the end zone.
Brees should just overrule Payton and tell any receiver in that situation to go down at the 2 if you're about to score with more than about 20 seconds left.
re: How can anyone on that defense look Brees in the eyes?
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:06 pm to Tigersaint09
Brees needs to realize that the defense will let him down every time. He should've told all his receivers that if they can score to go down at the 1 or 2 yard line. Brees needs to know that he can leave any time left on the clock for the defense to lose the game.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:05 pm to Tigers2010
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So Trequan goes down at the 1 and then we fumble the next play. Have to score there
Or we bleed the clock and then Brees gets a TD and we win the game. See how it can go either way.
Either way, do you trust the offense or the defense at the end of the game? I know which side I trust.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 4:02 pm to Pauldean
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Before I answer this, can you tell me how many times the offense has failed to score a TD from inside the 5 with two plays And 10 sec to go?
Thanks I’ll wait.
I don't know to be honest but which side do you trust more, the offense or the defense? Answer honestly.
You know why we won the Texans game earlier this year? Because the Texans didn't have any time remaining to score against our defense!!! Because our offense finished the game!!
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 3:59 pm to Pauldean
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Here’s the thing. The book doesn’t know we stalled out inside the 5 a bunch and missed a two point conversation and a 4th and short.
When you can score you score.
The question you have to answer honestly is this. Which scenario do you trust more:
Behind in the game, our offense in a 1 or 2 play scenario from inside the 5 yard line to score a TD to beat the 49ers
or
Ahead in the game, our defense, who hadn't showed any ability to stop the 49ers all game long, to somehow keep them out of FG range with 53 seconds left and 3 TO's.
I know which scenario I'd rather have.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 3:56 pm to Puddinhead
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I honestly don't think I've seen a stupider football post.
I don't think I've ever seen anything more stupid than a fan base continually relying on a defense that has made a living giving up leads with under a minute left in the game.
What gave you the thought that our defense, that hadn't stopped the 49ers all game long, had any chance whatsoever to keep them out of FG range?
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 3:54 pm to RightWingTiger
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So on 1st & 2nd and Goal at the 1 we should lose 3 yards each play & then try to score on 3rd/4th & goal from the 7/8 yard line?
No you just run to the 2 and then kneel down. Do that for 2 plays and bleed the clock. Then you have 2 chances to win the game and leave SF no time to do anything.
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 3:53 pm to LSUpsychWARD
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Our defense has played great all year. Chauncey and pj have blown more games than I can count. If we don’t get both of those back breaking penalties on 3rd down our defense gets off the field and has enough juice to finish the game. Then cgj again blows coverage on Kittle for the game ending drive.
It doesn't matter, the defense would've lost it.
2011 against the 49ers, 2017 against the Vikings, 2018 against the Rams, this year against the 49ers. How many times does the defense have to screw you over before you understand?
re: Sean Payton never learns
Posted by TheFirstSaints on 12/8/19 at 3:51 pm to RightWingTiger
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BRILLIANT!##!
More brilliant than relying on our defense to stop the 49ers offense that they hadn't stopped them the entire game.
What's the definition of insanity again? Oh year that right's, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
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