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re: Seth MacFarlane On SCOTUS Cake Ruling: Just Like Not Seating Black People
Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:21 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:21 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
He will bake a cake for the homos. He will not put images on the cake he finds in poor taste.
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Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:22 pm to OMLandshark
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’d like to ask Seth MacFarlane this: Should a religious person be able to come to your studio and force you to animate and voice a television show with a heavy pro-Christian message? If you don’t, then you’re bigoted against Christians and the courts will force you to do it. I’m pretty sure he’d have a problem with that.
Exactly... the idea that the government can COMPEL the owner of a privately held business to produce a product in violation of his constitutionally protected rights is outrageous..
Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:30 pm to FT
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You open a business to the public, you serve the public.
What distinguishes opening a business to the public from opening a business?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:35 pm to BBONDS25
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Animals also eat their own crap and their young. This is a silly argument.
So do people and people are (SURPRISE!) animals. It's called coprophagy and child cannibalism. What a stupid reply.
This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 6/5/18 at 6:44 pm to ShortyRob
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What you have to realize is that Seth, like literally every liberal alive on this issue, doesn't actually believe in the principle he's articulating.
Literally every single one huh?
To me it’s (relatively) simple, the bakers should not be forced to bake a special cake that clashes with their beliefs (for example putting “Dan and Steve Forever” on the cake), however you can make a 14A argument that the bakers can’t refuse service via a generic cake they make on a daily basis.
This post was edited on 6/5/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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however you can make a 14A argument that the bakers can’t refuse service via a generic cake they make on a daily basis.
Not 14th Amendment, CRA argument.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:34 pm to Parmen
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Will never watch another episode of The Orville.
Jesus Christ snowflake, chill out
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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To me it’s (relatively) simple, the bakers should not be forced to bake a special cake that clashes with their beliefs (for example putting “Dan and Steve Forever” on the cake), however you can make a 14A argument that the bakers can’t refuse service via a generic cake they make on a daily basis.
Exactly. I don’t agree with his conclusion but he’s still presenting a valid, albeit exaggerated side of a complex issue.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:40 pm to L.A.
It's too bad Seth missed his flight on 9/11.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:42 pm to L.A.
I don’t understand why McFarlane is so closed-minded.
Bakers can both refuse to make cakes for gay weddings and refuse to seat black people. It’s not either/or.
Bakers can both refuse to make cakes for gay weddings and refuse to seat black people. It’s not either/or.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:45 pm to L.A.
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 6:57 am
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:45 pm to BBONDS25
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Animals also eat their own crap and their young. This is a silly argument.
The argument is that homosexuality appears to be a natural deviation from expected biological norms shown across multiple species.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:48 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Legalized discrimination
Discrimination is already legal.
And YOU support it.
That's what makes you morons so absurd.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Literally every single one huh?
To me it’s (relatively) simple, the bakers should not be forced to bake a special cake that clashes with their beliefs (for example putting “Dan and Steve Forever” on the cake), however you can make a 14A argument that the bakers can’t refuse service via a generic cake they make on a daily basis.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 7:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I'm referring to every single one who claims to oppose the ability you articulate that you support.
Literally every single one huh?
Those that make this claim are ALL lying because they absolutely support it. Just not for the religious dudes.
They would happily support a gay guy saying "No" to doing a wedding involving Pat Robertson. Or, any of about a million other similar examples.
There isn't a liberal alive who BOTH thinks the religious guy can't say no AND thinks the gay person can't say no.
That was my point.
In any case,
quote:I agree.
however you can make a 14A argument that the bakers can’t refuse service via a generic cake they make on a daily basis.
As long as what you're asking for requires nothing special from me other than to sell you a cake I always sell. (Honestly, I'm in the camp that say discrimination in ALL forms should be legal). But that's another thread.
But on principle, I draw the line at the principle you articulated with the small caveat that don't expect me to wheel out my generic cake at your wedding either. (or take photos for your wedding......or sing at it.....etc etc)
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Agreed.
This isn’t an “I don’t serve gays” issue. It’s a “I won’t support gay weddings through my business” issue.
This isn’t an “I don’t serve gays” issue. It’s a “I won’t support gay weddings through my business” issue.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:06 pm to L.A.
Virtue signaling is the worst.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:08 pm to DEG
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This isn’t an “I don’t serve gays” issue. It’s a “I won’t support gay weddings through my business” issue.
Yep
But, I'm gonna make a prediction for you.
Gay activist are going to continue to push it.
And, they're going to walk themselves into one of 2 legal corners.
1. ALL discrimination will be legal(including "frick you, I don't serve gay people"
or
2. NO discrimination will be legal....including Westboro asking a gay baker to bake a cake for them.
Cause you see. Some people aren't walking this through to it's logical conclusion.
Gays are going to try and skirt the edge asking people for generic cakes but still throwing in a poison pill. They'll think "aha".
But, conservatives are wise to this game. Too easy.
Waltz someone in to ask for a generic cake to use at a "Marriage is only between a man and a woman" conference but ALSO, throw in the poison pill.
The local authorities will.........as they always stupidly do.......allow the gays to say "no"......but not the religious guy.........
And......they'll get their asses kicked just like this time.
Gays could have just left well enough alone because the vast majority of conservatives don't even support "no gays allowed" signs.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:11 pm to Antonio Moss
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The argument is that homosexuality appears to be a natural deviation from expected biological norms shown across multiple species.
A question
Is "homosexuality" common in the animal kingdom or are homosexual acts common?
I ask because I genuinely don't know if they have data on this. IE.........have they documented animals that overtly refuse opposite sex?
Posted on 6/5/18 at 8:12 pm to tigerfoot
God help me for saying this but this decision was totally wrong but before you recommend stringing me up here’s my thoughts.
This gentleman wants to claim a religious exemption because it goes against his beliefs but to maintain this he would have to decline to make cakes for sinful actions such as remarrying after divorce or those that lived together before marriage.
Then there are the ones specifically forbidden in the 10 commandments such as idolatry for for making a cake for an agnostic ceremony or those that don’t honor the sabbath and then we go down the rabbit hole of things forbidden by the Bible.
I’ll make this final point Jesus recognized that Caesar’s laws were to be followed as well as Gods therefore as long as the government requires non discriminatory practices from the businesses they liscense his only real choice is to not do business at all. For those that come back with his rights being violated he is not required to begin living the gay lifestyle just make a cake.
This gentleman wants to claim a religious exemption because it goes against his beliefs but to maintain this he would have to decline to make cakes for sinful actions such as remarrying after divorce or those that lived together before marriage.
Then there are the ones specifically forbidden in the 10 commandments such as idolatry for for making a cake for an agnostic ceremony or those that don’t honor the sabbath and then we go down the rabbit hole of things forbidden by the Bible.
I’ll make this final point Jesus recognized that Caesar’s laws were to be followed as well as Gods therefore as long as the government requires non discriminatory practices from the businesses they liscense his only real choice is to not do business at all. For those that come back with his rights being violated he is not required to begin living the gay lifestyle just make a cake.
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