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re: Sessions:Marijuana Is “Only Slightly Less Awful” Than Heroin
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:10 pm to Lg
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:10 pm to Lg
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You see I look at it from an employer side of it. The pool to choose skilled labor from is already small. If drugs are legalized it will become even smaller because I can't have people working that are impaired.
I've been smoking for 19 of my 34 years. I haven't gotten high at work since I worked at a bagel shop. My job can be dangerous, and I have real responsibility.
Most people who use drugs, don't want to be high at work. It's a waste of good drugs. The thought of being high at work is crazy to me now.
And really, in the construction industry, the biggest concern is actually alcohol. And it's usually the most physically demanding, dangerous trades that get drunk at lunch (roofers, rod busters, etc). But that's perfectly legal.
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:11 pm to Dire Wolf
I smoke weed every day and perform my job to the fullest. The only way it would "ruin my life" is if I got piss tested and failed my company's draconian drug policy.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:11 pm to The Spleen
yep -only one
The line for me: Somewhere between planting two seeds in your back yard and not going to jail. There's something about loosing your car, your wife, your kids, and your job - that just seems - a bit too extreme. When it could of been eggplants and tomatoes.
And somewhere between a failed a pot test for smoking at last week's concert, now costing your job (IRA,career). While the drunk who can't work today slides through unscathed. The same drunk who's half-assed work was being completed by the pot-head.
Gateway drug maybe, but then again the same could be said for drinking a beer. Just seems the way lesser is stigmatized because it's not taxed (nor IMO should it be).
Heroin and Cocaine whole another line.
The line for me: Somewhere between planting two seeds in your back yard and not going to jail. There's something about loosing your car, your wife, your kids, and your job - that just seems - a bit too extreme. When it could of been eggplants and tomatoes.
And somewhere between a failed a pot test for smoking at last week's concert, now costing your job (IRA,career). While the drunk who can't work today slides through unscathed. The same drunk who's half-assed work was being completed by the pot-head.
Gateway drug maybe, but then again the same could be said for drinking a beer. Just seems the way lesser is stigmatized because it's not taxed (nor IMO should it be).
Heroin and Cocaine whole another line.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:12 pm to Sidicous
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Put all the poisonous, addictive stuff together in the already established stores, ya know, the liquor stores.
Put the non addictive, non lethal stuff behind the counters of places that sell other adult only stuff to only adults.
I mean I'm not totally cool with full legalization of everything (but I'm open to being convinced, I can see the argument its just hard to ignore the massive harms of Opiods Coke/derivatives and Meth), that said this dichotomy makes a ton of sense.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:12 pm to Manzielathon
On this, I actually agree with you.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:16 pm to el Gaucho
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However, people that smoke marijuana, even a little bit turn into loser potheads with no ambition. I'm not sure if it's losers being attracted to weed or weed bringing them down but either way it's dangerous to society
Lol. I'm having trouble detecting sarcasm on this.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:17 pm to CCTider
quote:The last two days (NPR yesterday; Fox News today) this psychologist was interviewed as part of his book release about the neurological and psychological effects of smart phones, video games, etc. Apparently the neurological response is similar (to a far less degree) to the response to heroin.
This is what scares me. Apparently one day, I'm gonna start doing a shitload of heroin.
In addition, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think people realize what drugs actually do. Humans aren't feeling the effects of the substance themselves, the effects are a result of releasing various chemicals (neurotransmitters) that we already posses and use.
Like the feelings (or highs) after sex, exercising, etc. are often a response to something that's very similar to drug respond.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:19 pm to awestruck
quote:Interesting (at least to me) factoid:
Cocaine whole another line.
They used to give cocaine laced lozenge like things to babies who were teething. Numbed the gums, but probably didn't have much, if any, other effects.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:27 pm to OMLandshark
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I divide drugs into 2 categories:
Fun:
Alcohol
Weed
LSD
Mushrooms
Ecstasy
Some Cocaine
Shitty
Lots of cocaine
Heroin
Perscriptions
PCP
Meth
Crack
Ketamine
Salvia
I agree with this. Though I don't like cocaine, because it's always impure, and people tend to act like sketchy assholes on it. Though I'd try a bump of pure Coke if I were in South America
You do have to be careful on ecstasy. A strong dose will heat your body up, to where in a packed club, you could easily overheat. But the right amount it is a shitload of fun.
I used to think LSD was bad. Everyone I knew in the south hated it, and would only touch mushrooms. Turns out, there was just a lot of really shitty LSD in the south in the 90s. Pure LSD is fantastic. It's not something you do regularly, or out in public (expect maybe a music fest), but the occasional trip is great.
I agree with the shitty list. But possession of anything shouldn't be a felony. All that does is allow the states and the federal government to fill the quotas on their Private prison contracts.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:31 pm to Lg
quote:
The pool to choose skilled labor from is already small. If drugs are legalized it will become even smaller because I can't have people working that are impaired.
do you have people show up drunk? How would legalization change this?Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:32 pm to CCTider
What we really should do as a nation, is look at what other countries have done to reduce the drug usage in their countries. Being such a diverse population, there isn't a perfect model that will guarantee success. But there's no doubt almost anything would be better than our current approach known as the war on drugs.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:38 pm to CCTider
It's not really a war on drugs, potheads just call it that to be dramatic. It started as a simple "please don't smoke pot around our children and please don't get high and commit crimes (if you look at the crime briefs most criminals are arrested in possession of marijuana or paraphernalia)" but dope heads wouldn't listen so we had to start arresting y'all even though nobody wants to send people to jail
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:39 pm to Pax Regis
All legal.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:39 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
do you have people show up drunk? How would legalization change this?
Don't be too hard on the guy. After the government has spent 80+ years demonizing marijuana, many intelligent people have been misled.
And it with his concerns, they've been developing a marijuana test that will detect impairment instead of metabolites. Technically, they can do a blood test, but that's pretty invasive. But at least it's showing actual impairment.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:41 pm to WestCoastAg
He is either uninformed or willing to spew false propaganda for some agenda. Most likely door #1. Clueless.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:42 pm to CCTider
I think marijuana users don't realize when they are intoxicated. One time my roommate ate a brownie and he was high for 72 hours and he kept saying he wasn't high and he got pissed when I hid his keys
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:45 pm to Manzielathon
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Sessions is a moron and so are the people on this board who think he was a good pick.
Sessions is a necessary evil. Although I enjoy an occasional toke, I'll enjoy constitutional boarder security and enforcement more.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:45 pm to el Gaucho
quote:
It's not really a war on drugs, potheads just call it that to be dramatic. It started as a simple "please don't smoke pot around our children and please don't get high and commit crimes (if you look at the crime briefs most criminals are arrested in possession of marijuana or paraphernalia)" but dope heads wouldn't listen so we had to start arresting y'all even though nobody wants to send people to jail
Damn, you weren't being sarcastic. I hate that I have to play this douchebags card. But I've been smoking for most of my life, and all of my adult life. I've only been arrested for marijuana. While I believe starting so young had a negative impact, I'm still 34, didn't finish college, and making over 6 figures. My dad smoked all his life, ran a $50 million engineering firm, is one of the top people in his field, and has given lectures at engineering conventions for years.
There's tons of highly intelligent, hard working Pot smokers. But most have been afraid to speak out due to the repurcussions of the prohibition, not because it's harmful.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:48 pm to el Gaucho
hi
72 hours
bye
72 hours
bye
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