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re: Sessions ended DACA and gave an astounding SPEECH!
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:41 am to Kentucker
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:41 am to Kentucker
quote:
So, Sessions' cuckhood has been lifted?
CNN is telling me that Trump made the call but directed Sessions to make the announcement because he is afraid of the fallout and doesn't want to be the one to announce it. He gave Sessions what he thought was a shite job to distance himself from it.
If you are the type to believe CNN. I didn't know our President was a giant pussy afraid to make waves.
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Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:41 am to MButterfly
Dreamers registered their addresses under DACA, so now the government knows exactly where to go to arrest them and their parents.
— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) September 4, 2017
— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) September 4, 2017
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:43 am to Kentucker
quote:
Sessions ended DACA and gave an astounding SPEECH! by Kentucker So, Sessions' cuckhood has been lifted?
I am going to need a scorecard. Did the Democrats hate him now again after they loved him after they hated him after they loved him
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:46 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Second, Congress will take efforts to stick this right back at Trump by legally legislating DACA. It will be viewed in every quarter as a Dem win. It sets up Dems for a Congressional win
Even Obama couldn't get his immigration legislation thru congress. What makes you think it could happen now?
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:47 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:
CNN is telling me that Trump made the call but directed Sessions to make the announcement because he is afraid of the fallout and doesn't want to be the one to announce it.
I thought the EO reversal carried more weight being announced by the AG. Illegal aliens have been put on notice that their "anchor children" will no longer protect them from the law.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:50 am to Kentucker
As a lawyer who worked for Obama on DACA issues, I’d like to explain what’s on Trump’s plate, how it got there, and what may happen.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
2. DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) was created in 2012 to protect “Dreamers” – who came to US as kids but aren't here legally.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
3. Essentially, DACA enables DHS to notify Dreamers formally – via a two-year permit – that they won’t be removed from the US.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
4. Just as importantly, it renders them eligible to work legally and be eligible for certain benefits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
5. Candidate Trump promised to “immediately terminate” DACA. But he hasn’t, and in January he said DACA folks “shouldn’t be very worried.”
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
6. But on 6/29, ten state AGs wrote DOJ threatening to sue to kill DACA unless Trump agrees by 9/5 to phase it out.LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
7. Sad to say, I agree with the Trump administration that such a challenge to DACA is very likely to succeed. LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
8. The legal issues are *identical* to a suit that 26 states filed in 2014 to prevent us from implementing a new program called DAPA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
9. DAPA would have provided deferred action, and work authorization, to parents of US-born kids.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
10. The 2014 suit also challenged an *expansion* of DACA announced at same time as DAPA. But it didn't challenge the original DACA program.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
11. States won in district court and by a 2-1 vote on appeal. SCOTUS, after Scalia died, split 4-4, so the court of appeals decision stood.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
13. It’s theoretically possible, of course, that someone – most likely Kennedy – could have a change of heart and save DACA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
14. Because SCOTUS doesn't bother writing opinions in tie votes, Kennedy’s slate is clean. He’s famously changed his mind in other cases.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
15. But this is a slim reed on which to stake the hopes of the 780,000 people who benefit from DACA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
16. If the issues are identical, why didn’t the states try to kill DACA entirely in 2014? Probably because the Dreamers are too sympathetic.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
17. They came here as kids, most brought by their parents. For many, the US is the only place they’ve ever considered home.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
18. This may explain why, of the 26 states that sued in 2014, only 10 signed on to this letter.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
19. Alas, the apparent opposition of 40 other states is legally irrelevant to whether DACA is valid exercise of federal executive authority.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
21. They’re *not* asking to rescind existing permits. So DACA folks would still be able to work legally until their 2-year permit expires.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
22. However, the states’ letter says that if Trump refuses, they’ll sue to kill DACA *entirely* – presumably including current permits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
23. Seems they’re pushing Trump to be the heavy rather than bear sole responsibility for killing DACA in the courts.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
24. Dreamer advocates want Trump to fight, not take a knee. Maybe Kennedy flips. Even if not, SCOTUS drama could compel Congress to act.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
25. What will Trump do? If immigration reformers want him to do one thing, it’s a fair bet he'll do something else.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
26. At the opposite extreme, I doubt he will go full sadist and terminate existing DACA permits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
27. I suspect he’ll announce he’s ending DACA but allowing existing permits to remain valid until expiration – i.e. what the states seek.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
28. After expiration, DACA recipients would lose their jobs unless their employers choose to violate federal law. Few employers would do so.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
29. But this *doesn’t* mean they must leave the US. As states wrote, “this request does not require the federal govt to remove any alien.”
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
30. Indeed, throughout the earlier litigation the states emphasized that they weren’t challenging our efforts to prioritize who ICE pursues.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
31. The states even suggested that we could issue cards identifying certain people as low-priority law enforcement targets.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
32. Thus, if DACA gets repealed and a wave of Dreamers start getting rounded up, don’t let Team Trump tell you their hands are tied.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
33. DHS can save Dreamers from removal if it tries. This will require finesse and expending political capital, but they can do it.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
34. And Congress can do far more. The DREAM Act would go beyond DACA and provide a path to citizenship.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
35. But many conservatives won't back it unless they win stricter enforcement measures that Dems have opposed. LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
36. The past two presidents – with far greater legislative savvy than this one – tried and failed to strike such immigration deals.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
37. Even if DREAM Act can’t pass now, GOP backers like @LindseyGrahamSC can use oversight authority to dissuade DHS from removing Dreamers.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
38. Dreamers will likely find themselves further from their dreams – but it remains to be seen just how far & for how long.
END OF THREAD
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
2. DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) was created in 2012 to protect “Dreamers” – who came to US as kids but aren't here legally.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
3. Essentially, DACA enables DHS to notify Dreamers formally – via a two-year permit – that they won’t be removed from the US.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
4. Just as importantly, it renders them eligible to work legally and be eligible for certain benefits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
5. Candidate Trump promised to “immediately terminate” DACA. But he hasn’t, and in January he said DACA folks “shouldn’t be very worried.”
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
6. But on 6/29, ten state AGs wrote DOJ threatening to sue to kill DACA unless Trump agrees by 9/5 to phase it out.LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
7. Sad to say, I agree with the Trump administration that such a challenge to DACA is very likely to succeed. LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
8. The legal issues are *identical* to a suit that 26 states filed in 2014 to prevent us from implementing a new program called DAPA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
9. DAPA would have provided deferred action, and work authorization, to parents of US-born kids.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
10. The 2014 suit also challenged an *expansion* of DACA announced at same time as DAPA. But it didn't challenge the original DACA program.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
11. States won in district court and by a 2-1 vote on appeal. SCOTUS, after Scalia died, split 4-4, so the court of appeals decision stood.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
13. It’s theoretically possible, of course, that someone – most likely Kennedy – could have a change of heart and save DACA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
14. Because SCOTUS doesn't bother writing opinions in tie votes, Kennedy’s slate is clean. He’s famously changed his mind in other cases.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
15. But this is a slim reed on which to stake the hopes of the 780,000 people who benefit from DACA.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
16. If the issues are identical, why didn’t the states try to kill DACA entirely in 2014? Probably because the Dreamers are too sympathetic.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
17. They came here as kids, most brought by their parents. For many, the US is the only place they’ve ever considered home.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
18. This may explain why, of the 26 states that sued in 2014, only 10 signed on to this letter.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
19. Alas, the apparent opposition of 40 other states is legally irrelevant to whether DACA is valid exercise of federal executive authority.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
21. They’re *not* asking to rescind existing permits. So DACA folks would still be able to work legally until their 2-year permit expires.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
22. However, the states’ letter says that if Trump refuses, they’ll sue to kill DACA *entirely* – presumably including current permits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
23. Seems they’re pushing Trump to be the heavy rather than bear sole responsibility for killing DACA in the courts.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
24. Dreamer advocates want Trump to fight, not take a knee. Maybe Kennedy flips. Even if not, SCOTUS drama could compel Congress to act.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
25. What will Trump do? If immigration reformers want him to do one thing, it’s a fair bet he'll do something else.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
26. At the opposite extreme, I doubt he will go full sadist and terminate existing DACA permits.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
27. I suspect he’ll announce he’s ending DACA but allowing existing permits to remain valid until expiration – i.e. what the states seek.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
28. After expiration, DACA recipients would lose their jobs unless their employers choose to violate federal law. Few employers would do so.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
29. But this *doesn’t* mean they must leave the US. As states wrote, “this request does not require the federal govt to remove any alien.”
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
30. Indeed, throughout the earlier litigation the states emphasized that they weren’t challenging our efforts to prioritize who ICE pursues.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
31. The states even suggested that we could issue cards identifying certain people as low-priority law enforcement targets.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
32. Thus, if DACA gets repealed and a wave of Dreamers start getting rounded up, don’t let Team Trump tell you their hands are tied.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
33. DHS can save Dreamers from removal if it tries. This will require finesse and expending political capital, but they can do it.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
34. And Congress can do far more. The DREAM Act would go beyond DACA and provide a path to citizenship.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
35. But many conservatives won't back it unless they win stricter enforcement measures that Dems have opposed. LINK
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
36. The past two presidents – with far greater legislative savvy than this one – tried and failed to strike such immigration deals.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
37. Even if DREAM Act can’t pass now, GOP backers like @LindseyGrahamSC can use oversight authority to dissuade DHS from removing Dreamers.
— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) August 29, 2017
38. Dreamers will likely find themselves further from their dreams – but it remains to be seen just how far & for how long.
END OF THREAD
Posted on 9/5/17 at 10:53 am to bamarep
Posted on 9/5/17 at 11:02 am to MButterfly
Good lord, we're deleting posts that make fun of Jeff Sessions now? 
Posted on 9/5/17 at 11:04 am to JuiceTerry
Posted on 9/5/17 at 11:07 am to MButterfly
quote:Congress has shown full well it cannot multitask. If tax reductions don't occur, we won't see another opportunity to fix them for several years
it doesn't. It pulls the Media from the taxes.
Regardless of what you may think (again), congress can multi-task. If they can't... They need to go.
This was unnecessary and full-on stupid.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 11:15 am to Kentucker
quote:
I thought the EO reversal carried more weight being announced by the AG.
I would agree with that perspective. Allowing the AG to make the announcement empowers him.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 11:22 am to MButterfly
Posted on 9/5/17 at 1:01 pm to MButterfly
quote:
Sessions ended DACA and gave an astounding SPEECH!
Too bad fighting against illegal immigration is all he's good for.
frick his erotic love for the WoD and civil asset forfeiture.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 2:46 pm to pressurized
quote:My opinion is based on the fact we are talking about the same anti-Trump POS's who passed obamacare repeal under Obama, knowing it would be vetoed, but came nowhere close to doing the same under with Trump.
Even Obama couldn't get his immigration legislation thru congress. What makes you think it could happen now?
This is essentially a Democrat Senate. It is >60%-40% anti-Trump. The House may be a resistance point, but not if Ryan has anything to do with it.
Regardless, the equation in Congress the issue will be framed as citizenship vs deportation. The solution is green cards with no guaranteed citizenship.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 3:58 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No it wasn't. It was the first real Trump policy blunder IMO.
You do realize that Trump is using this as a bargaining chip to get border security and tax reform out of a do nothing congress?
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:10 pm to 14&Counting
quote:Nope.
You do realize that Trump is using this as a bargaining chip to get border security and tax reform out of a do nothing congress?
I realize this was in process of being played out in the courts. I realize it appears to have not one damn thing to do with tax reform, except as a Congressional impediment. DACA has a 6-month deadline. Taxes are now perceived by the GOPe as a probable 2018 legislative issue. As far as I can see, this is a DemGOPe Senate looking for any excuse to not play ball.
I hope you're right though.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:14 pm to Jbird
quote:
As a lawyer who worked for Obama on DACA issues, I’d like to explain what’s on Trump’s plate, how it got there, and what may happen.
Excellent post....
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:19 pm to NC_Tigah
Congress needs to go. I am sick of all this BS, and they are nothing but a bunch of crooks.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:46 pm to MButterfly
Sessions is a brow beaten lap dog for Trump -- sad to see the AG relegated to a weak position of having to please his racist boss. Punishing Dreamers is not what American is built on.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 5:00 pm to GetCocky11
quote:
Trump ending DACA while also shifting the blame to Congress when they inevitably fail to pass DACA legislation within 6 months is a pretty smart move.
Depends on what you are attempting to achieve.
If you want to actually kick Dreamers out full stop, probably not gonna get it done.
If you are aiming to please the PT type crowd that is not bothered by the fact Trump is clearly doing this for that very reason. Not principles, but essentially virtue signaling to a part of his base knowing congress will ultimately extend it....Or fail to in which they become culpable and forced to defend it with him. Then yeah, good move, I guess.
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