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re: Serious question: Is the pope Catholic?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:16 pm to NeilBS
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:16 pm to NeilBS
Why does the Pope need to meet with Dr* fauci and John Kerry?
Seriously.
I am catholic and have asked a deacon if he is catholic. He said we need to pray for the pope and that God gives him the wisdom and courage to lead in these difficult times. Pretty safe answer, but going against what the Pope says is a sin
Seriously.
I am catholic and have asked a deacon if he is catholic. He said we need to pray for the pope and that God gives him the wisdom and courage to lead in these difficult times. Pretty safe answer, but going against what the Pope says is a sin
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:21 pm to NeilBS
Within a very short time span we went from Reagan and Pope John Paul to Biden and this socialist frick! What a fail.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:22 pm to FlexDawg
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Depends on how you look at it. Catholicism was invented by Constantine by mixing Christianity with Roman paganism. Is that really a good thing to begin with?
Constantine did not invent anything. All he did with the Edict of Milan in 313 was to stop the Roman State from persecuting the Church in Rome, band by extension across the Roman empire. He did call the Council of Nicea but at the suggestion of the Latin Rite Bishop from Spain Hosius, which dealt with the Arian theological controversy in the Eastern Half of the empire. He on behalf of the Bishop of Rome (Pope) presided over the Council of Nicea in 325 AD which rejected the doctrine of Arius as unorthodox which is clearly seen in the Nicene Creed.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:25 pm to ksayetiger
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Why does the Pope need to meet with Dr* fauci and John Kerry?
Seriously.
I am catholic and have asked a deacon if he is catholic. He said we need to pray for the pope and that God gives him the wisdom and courage to lead in these difficult times. Pretty safe answer, but going against what the Pope says is a sin
Well I am Catholic as well and with respect to Francis, while I am not a sede vacantist, anything short of Francis calling a Council, which he has not, or making Dogmatic Proclamation "ex cathedra" I don't pay attention to what he says. Obviously, at the Eucharistic Prayer, the Church prays for the Pope and local Bishop, which of course I do.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 2:37 pm to AustinAggie
? Everyone has pagan ancestors.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 3:00 pm to JKChesterton
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Constantine did not invent anything. All he did with the Edict of Milan in 313 was to stop the Roman State from persecuting the Church in Rome, band by extension across the Roman empire. He did call the Council of Nicea but at the suggestion of the Latin Rite Bishop from Spain Hosius, which dealt with the Arian theological controversy in the Eastern Half of the empire. He on behalf of the Bishop of Rome (Pope) presided over the Council of Nicea in 325 AD which rejected the doctrine of Arius as unorthodox which is clearly seen in the Nicene Creed.
The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the "Dark Ages" (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.
Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.
The Papacy and Priesthood
In the Bible there are no popes or priests to rule over the church. Jesus Christ is our High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5; 8:1; 9:11), and all true Christians make up a spiritual priesthood (I Pet. 2:5). Jesus Christ has sanctified all Christians who believe on Him (Heb. 10:10-11), so all priests today are unnecessary and unscriptural. Furthermore, the practice of calling a priest "father" is forbidden by Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:9. There is only ONE mediator between God and men (I Tim. 2:5).
The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once. In fact, it was Peter himself who spoke against "being lords over God's heritage" in I Peter 5:3. Popes do not marry, although Peter did (Mat. 8:14; I Cor. 9:5). The Bible never speaks of Peter being in Rome, and it was Paul, not Peter, who wrote the epistle to the Romans. In the New Testament, Paul wrote 100 chapters with 2,325 verses, while Peter wrote only 8 chapters with 166 verses. In Peter's first epistle he stated that he was simply "an apostle of Jesus Christ," not a Pope (I Pet. 1:1). The Roman papacy and priesthood is just a huge fraud to keep members in bondage to a corrupt pagan church.
The Worship of Mary
Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus and was sinless all of her life. She is worshiped in the Catholic church as the "Mother of God" and the "Queen of Heaven." St. Bernard stated that she was crowned "Queen of Heaven" by God the Father, and that she currently sits upon a throne in Heaven making intercession for Christians.
The Bible teaches otherwise. In the Bible, Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us. She said herself that she needed a "Saviour" (Lk. 1:47), and she even had to offer a sacrifice for her sins in Luke 2:24. Jesus was only her "firstborn" son, according to Matthew 1:25, because she later had other children as well (Mt. 13:55; Gal. 1:19; Psa. 69:8). There's only ONE mediator between God and men, and it isn't Mary (I Tim. 2:5). The last time we hear from Mary in the Bible she is praying WITH the disciples, not being prayed to BY the disciples (Acts 1:14). The Bible never exalts Mary above anyone else. Neither should we.
Purgatory
The Catholic Church teaches that a Christian's soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money may be paid to a priest so he can pray and have special masses for an earlier release.
This heresy began creeping into the Roman Church during the reign of Pope Gregory around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn't redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: "They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:"
Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." God's word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory.
Continued….
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/5/21 at 3:01 pm to FlexDawg
The Mass
By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord's Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ:
"Christ...commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: "Mass, Sacrifice of")
Jesus never made such a command. If you'll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you'll see for yourself that the Lord's Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ's death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:
"In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblence of bread and wine alone remaining." (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: "Consecration")
The Catholic Church teaches that the "Holy Mass" is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.
Now, what does God's word say about such practices? If you'll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.
Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural.
Image Worship
The Catholic religion is filled with all sorts of symbols, images, and relics. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:
"It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..."
It's lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God's word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." Image worship is unscriptural and will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11).
Salvation by Works
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU--to pay for your sins, because you couldn't. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)
The Lord Jesus Christ has come and PAID for your sins by shedding His own Blood on Calvary. By receiving Him as your Saviour, you can be WASHED from all your sins in His precious Blood (Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14; Acts 20:28; I Pet. 1:18-19). Notice these important words from Romans 5:8-9:
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Jesus PAID your way to Heaven for you! By receiving Him as your Saviour, you will be receiving God's ONLY means of Salvation for you. Are you willing to forsake YOUR righteousness and receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour, your ONLY HOPE for Salvation? Romans 10:13 says, "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Are you willing to forsake your own righteousness, and trust Jesus Christ alone? He will save you just as He promised. Why not receive Him today and trust Him to give you a better way of life?
By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord's Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ:
"Christ...commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: "Mass, Sacrifice of")
Jesus never made such a command. If you'll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you'll see for yourself that the Lord's Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ's death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:
"In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblence of bread and wine alone remaining." (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: "Consecration")
The Catholic Church teaches that the "Holy Mass" is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.
Now, what does God's word say about such practices? If you'll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.
Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural.
Image Worship
The Catholic religion is filled with all sorts of symbols, images, and relics. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:
"It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..."
It's lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God's word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." Image worship is unscriptural and will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11).
Salvation by Works
Through infant baptism, keeping sacraments, church membership, going to mass, praying to Mary, and confession (just to mention a few), the Catholic church has developed a system of salvation through WORKS. God's word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not through works:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU--to pay for your sins, because you couldn't. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)
The Lord Jesus Christ has come and PAID for your sins by shedding His own Blood on Calvary. By receiving Him as your Saviour, you can be WASHED from all your sins in His precious Blood (Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14; Acts 20:28; I Pet. 1:18-19). Notice these important words from Romans 5:8-9:
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Jesus PAID your way to Heaven for you! By receiving Him as your Saviour, you will be receiving God's ONLY means of Salvation for you. Are you willing to forsake YOUR righteousness and receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour, your ONLY HOPE for Salvation? Romans 10:13 says, "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Are you willing to forsake your own righteousness, and trust Jesus Christ alone? He will save you just as He promised. Why not receive Him today and trust Him to give you a better way of life?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:17 pm to NeilBS
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We have come to the point that even simple people with little knowledge of doctrinal issues understand that we have a non- Catholic pope,
Im Catholic and I never liked the guy
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:19 pm to AustinAggie
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How anyone could still be Catholic these days blows my mind.
The religion is the same. It’s people that frick it up. I’ll continue to be Catholic but won’t go to a Mass headed by a leftist door knob
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:20 pm to FlexDawg
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Depends on how you look at it. Catholicism was invented by Constantine by mixing Christianity with Roman paganism. Is that really a good thing to begin with?
Incorrect
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:42 pm to NeilBS
This Pope is such a pos. No way I could remain catholic knowing my money is supporting that idiot
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:44 pm to NeilBS
He's not my pope.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:45 pm to ksayetiger
quote:no it isn’t
but going against what the Pope says is a sin
The pope is just another man and is no different than anyone else. He holds no real meaning or power over that
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:48 pm to FlexDawg
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Depends on how you look at it. Catholicism was invented by Constantine by mixing Christianity with Roman paganism. Is that really a good thing to begin with?
Please tell what practices/beliefs he invented and when. TIA
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:51 pm to LSU2001
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He seems hell-bent on destroying the normally conservative values of the church.
He has a much better idea of what the values of the church are than you. If you disagree with him, then you're disagreeing with the values of the church. That's just how Catholicism works.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:57 pm to FlexDawg
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The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the "Dark Ages" (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.
This and everything else you posted is absurd. Nothing in history supports it. More succinctly...
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:57 pm to FlexDawg
How did I know this would turn into some type of Catholicism is the Devil and not the true faith argument.
well here is some of my response I don't have the time to respond to each claim.
The papacy is very scriptural, just look at Matthew 16:18-19, I'm sure you will disagree with the interpretation of that passage but the papacy is scriptural.
We don't deny Jesus is our high priest. See Catechism (CCC from here out) 1546.
Secondly we don't deny the priesthood of the faithful. See CCC 901-903
Bishops are mentioned in the Scriptures, take for example 1 Timothy 3. The office of bishops is mentioned by St. Paul. Deacons as well are mentioned in the acts of the Apostles. The ministerial priesthood, different from the common priesthood or as you call it the spiritual priesthood was founded by Christ. I again direct you to the Catechism. CCC 1536-1600
The celibacy question is an interesting one. My personal opinion is that EVERY apostle was celibate at the time they followed Jesus. Yes Peter was married, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a widower at the time he followed Jesus. BTW the Church has married priests, and formerly married priests (both divorced and widowers). The practice of celibacy is scripturally founded but wasn't absolute for all the history of the Church.
Worship of God is not the same as "worship" of Mary. I rather call it to honor, venerate etc Mary.
Look up Dulia HyperDulia and Latria
All souls that enter heaven must be pure. Some of us die with unrepentant (minor) sins or punishment still due to God.
The buying of indulgences has been condemned by the Church.
LINK
One of the best scriptural basis for purgatory is found in a book you guys don't believe is scripture. But even outside of Maccabbees Matthew 5:24-25 is another good basis for purgatory.
Purgatory can be avoided, either by going to hell (we don't want that obviously) or dying in a state of grace free from all punishment due to sin and venial sin. A soul nearing death can receive last rites as we call it. Through confession and what is called an apostolic pardon a soul can receive forgiveness before their death, preparing them for their journey to heaven. We don't know if they must go through purgatory but I think it's possible they don't if they receive the last rites before death. Assuming they have faith and are truly repentant for their sins.
The Mass wow, where do I start with this. The best I can point you to is what the Church is going through right now in it's lectionary. John 6. The Eucharist (extremely biblical) is a part of the Mass. The Mass is found in scripture. Without going into much detail I point you to Revelation. Not a literal word representation of the mass but there are many elements in there that you also find in Mass.
Think of it this way. God gave mana from heaven for 40 years. Jesus tells us that the mana prefigures the bread he will give in John 6. If it is just a symbol and ordinary bread how is the fulfillment greater than what went before it (the mana)
A common misunderstanding of the Old Testament is that they couldn't have any images or icons. However how do you explain or even justify the arc of the covenant a clear "graven image"
We don't worship statues, images, etc.
The Church has never and will never teach that we are saved by works alone as you claim. Actually it has been claimed as heresy to teach salvation by works alone. It was condemned by the Council of Trent Session 6 Canon 1. I encourage you to read about the council of Trent session 6. Look at canon 9 too.
Our initial justification in Jesus is done by faith alone through grace, however justification (salvation) is worked out daily through God's grace by our good works.
Again the CCC will help here. Start at 1987 and finish with 2016.
well here is some of my response I don't have the time to respond to each claim.
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The Papacy and Priesthood
The papacy is very scriptural, just look at Matthew 16:18-19, I'm sure you will disagree with the interpretation of that passage but the papacy is scriptural.
We don't deny Jesus is our high priest. See Catechism (CCC from here out) 1546.
Secondly we don't deny the priesthood of the faithful. See CCC 901-903
Bishops are mentioned in the Scriptures, take for example 1 Timothy 3. The office of bishops is mentioned by St. Paul. Deacons as well are mentioned in the acts of the Apostles. The ministerial priesthood, different from the common priesthood or as you call it the spiritual priesthood was founded by Christ. I again direct you to the Catechism. CCC 1536-1600
The celibacy question is an interesting one. My personal opinion is that EVERY apostle was celibate at the time they followed Jesus. Yes Peter was married, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a widower at the time he followed Jesus. BTW the Church has married priests, and formerly married priests (both divorced and widowers). The practice of celibacy is scripturally founded but wasn't absolute for all the history of the Church.
quote:
The Worship of Mary
Worship of God is not the same as "worship" of Mary. I rather call it to honor, venerate etc Mary.
Look up Dulia HyperDulia and Latria
quote:
Purgatory
All souls that enter heaven must be pure. Some of us die with unrepentant (minor) sins or punishment still due to God.
The buying of indulgences has been condemned by the Church.
LINK
One of the best scriptural basis for purgatory is found in a book you guys don't believe is scripture. But even outside of Maccabbees Matthew 5:24-25 is another good basis for purgatory.
Purgatory can be avoided, either by going to hell (we don't want that obviously) or dying in a state of grace free from all punishment due to sin and venial sin. A soul nearing death can receive last rites as we call it. Through confession and what is called an apostolic pardon a soul can receive forgiveness before their death, preparing them for their journey to heaven. We don't know if they must go through purgatory but I think it's possible they don't if they receive the last rites before death. Assuming they have faith and are truly repentant for their sins.
quote:
The Mass
The Mass wow, where do I start with this. The best I can point you to is what the Church is going through right now in it's lectionary. John 6. The Eucharist (extremely biblical) is a part of the Mass. The Mass is found in scripture. Without going into much detail I point you to Revelation. Not a literal word representation of the mass but there are many elements in there that you also find in Mass.
Think of it this way. God gave mana from heaven for 40 years. Jesus tells us that the mana prefigures the bread he will give in John 6. If it is just a symbol and ordinary bread how is the fulfillment greater than what went before it (the mana)
quote:
Image Worship
A common misunderstanding of the Old Testament is that they couldn't have any images or icons. However how do you explain or even justify the arc of the covenant a clear "graven image"
We don't worship statues, images, etc.
quote:
Salvation by Works
The Church has never and will never teach that we are saved by works alone as you claim. Actually it has been claimed as heresy to teach salvation by works alone. It was condemned by the Council of Trent Session 6 Canon 1. I encourage you to read about the council of Trent session 6. Look at canon 9 too.
Our initial justification in Jesus is done by faith alone through grace, however justification (salvation) is worked out daily through God's grace by our good works.
Again the CCC will help here. Start at 1987 and finish with 2016.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:04 pm to FlexDawg
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The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Theodosius made it the official religion. Constantine legalized and favored it.
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This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the "Dark Ages" (500-1500 A.D.).
Ushered it right in almost 200 hundred years later.
You’re free to your opinion on the rest, but I’d ease up on Mary. No one like people talking shite about their mom, and as a Jew I can Attempt that is in fact the best way to get a favor out of a Jewish guy.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:20 pm to EverettScott
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? Everyone has pagan ancestors.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:25 pm to SammyTiger
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Ushered it right in almost 200 hundred years later.
Not to mention that any classical learning and knowledge that was retained was retained by the efforts of the Church.
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