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Sen. Mike Lee: A conservative case for criminal justice reform

Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:19 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:19 am
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“Government’s first duty,” President Reagan said in 1981 and President Trump recently tweeted, “is to protect the people, not run their lives.” The safety of law-abiding citizens has always been a core principle of conservatism. And it is why we need to take this opportunity to pass real criminal-justice reform now.

Although violent crime rose during the final two years of President Obama’s time in office, it decreased during the first year of Trump’s presidency. We need to keep that momentum going. And criminal justice reform can help us do that in two ways.


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First, commonsense sentencing reform can increase trust in the criminal-justice system, thus making it easier for law enforcement personnel to police communities. Right now, federal mandatory-minimum sentences for many drug offenses can lead to outcomes that strike many people as unfair, and thus undermine the public’s faith in our justice system.

For example, when I served as an Assistant United States Attorney in Salt Lake City, Weldon Angelos -- a young father of two with no criminal record -- was convicted of selling three dime bags of marijuana to a paid informant over a short period of time.


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These were not violent crimes. No one was hurt. But because Angelos had been in possession of a gun at the time he sold the drugs (a gun which was neither brandished nor discharged in connection with the offense), the judge was forced by federal law to give him a 55-year prison sentence. The average federal sentence for assault is just two years. The average murderer only gets 15 years. While acknowledging the obvious excessiveness of the sentence, the judge explained that the applicable federal statutes gave him no authority to impose a less-severe prison term, noting that “only Congress can fix this problem.”


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Second, excessive prison sentences break apart families and weaken communities -- the building blocks of American civil society. Incarceration is tough on any marriage. Few can survive the loss of marital love and financial strain that happens when a spouse is behind bars. And the longer the sentence, the more likely a marriage will end in divorce. One 2011 study found that each additional year behind bars increases the likelihood of divorce by 32 percent. This has real costs for the families -- and especially the children -- of offenders. Incarceration is an essential law enforcement tool that protects communities and keeps families safe. But it also inflicts costs on communities and families, and at some point the negative impact of incarceration on marriage and family can become too stark to ignore. And for non-violent offenders, especially those with no prior criminal history, excessive sentences often do far more harm than good.


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We now have a rare opportunity to pass criminal justice reform that will help restore trust in law enforcement and protect American families. In May of this year, the House of Representatives passed the First Step Act, which includes some much-needed prison reform measures that would reduce recidivism. Unfortunately, it did not include any reforms to address manifestly unjust sentences for non-violent offenders. The Senate now has a chance to add some of those much-needed prison reform measures into the bill.

We won’t get everything we want, but we have an incredible opportunity to reach a compromise that includes meaningful, commonsense reforms to our nation’s mandatory-minimum drug sentencing laws.

It is unlikely we will get another opportunity to enact meaningful reform anytime soon. President Obama failed to accomplish criminal-justice reform during his eight years in office. But President Trump and the Republican Congress can get the job done now. It would be another big step toward making America great again.


Thoughts?

Honestly, I think it’s not only the mandatory-minimums, but the drug laws themselves.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 7:23 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:27 am to
That all seems like rational stuff that most rational people would support regardless of political affiliation. OF course, the police lobbies will get in the way
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53701 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:29 am to
When the police tack back towards protecting the citizenry and away from being a revenue generating mafia we may see real criminal justice reform.

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Posted by WesternChauvinist
Member since Sep 2018
445 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:36 am to
Trump signaled recently iirc that he’s open to marijuana decriminalization. I think that plus the sentencing reform Sen Lee discussed in your article is something that could actually get done in a divided Congress and that would have the support of a supermajority of citizens.

Posted by msutiger
Houston
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:39 am to
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Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:42 am to
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When the police tack back towards protecting the citizenry and away from being a revenue generating mafia we may see real criminal justice reform.


I agree wholeheartedly with this. But, I will say this, it’s increasingly not very probable to have the Andy Griffith type police officers nowadays. As cities in this country aren’t like cities in Europe that are made for beat cops. Take my home town of Bossier City, I don’t think in the town the size of Bossier there is one beat cop. They’re all patrol cops.

Obviously in the bigger (and older) east coast cities, there are beat cops because the cities’ layouts were put down when most people still walked everywhere or at least rode a horse.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11097 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:28 am to
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That all seems like rational stuff that most rational people would support regardless of political affiliation. OF course, the police lobbies will get in the way


Agree, but the private prison lobby and the "law and order" Republicans will object.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:31 am to
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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 8:36 am to
Sen. Lee is saying many of the same things that rational people have been saying for many years.

Maybe something will finally get done.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:30 am to
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I didn't read, I just wanted to say that mike lee is a pedo


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Fox Mulder


I’ve given up trying to understand the drivel that comes from you on this site.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:39 am to
TFS, you and I do not agree often, but I COMPLETELY sympathize with your position here.

He is one strange duck.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 9:40 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:48 am to
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pass real criminal-justice reform now

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real

This is like we need "real immigration reform"....real meaning "the way I see shite"
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:49 am to
we can side step a lot of this by simply decriminalizing Marijuana a the federal level.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:51 am to
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but the private prison lobby and the "law and order" Republicans will object.


You will find a lot more allies on this issue among the ranks of self professed conservatives than you might imagine.

This is an issue of government wielding excessive unchecked power over the citizenry.

Law and order is one thing, 55 years for selling pot is quite fricking another.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:57 am to
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Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:58 am to
I don’t care if it’s from a conservative or a liberal, everything sounds reasonable and reform needs to happen.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:59 am to
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guys aren't getting locked up for 10, 15, 20 years for having a little bit of weed. they're major distributors


are major distributors of Jack Daniels getting locked up for 10, 15, or 20 years?
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157664 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:03 am to
Legalize most drugs and regulate the sale.

Don't ask for money for rehab, don't deal and I'm good with prison reform.

Have a gram of pot on you. No big deal. Smoke at your leisure.

Shoot up for all I care. Just don't come crying about needing money for treatment.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157664 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:04 am to
Why would they?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:04 am to
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