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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:03 pm to DelU249
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I’m here to tell you that your argument is retarded at a very basic level and you’re being intentionally vague.
So basically...debate us.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:05 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
He’s here to disagree, then when asked for reasoning, to claim that it should be self evident. 
Awfully convenient
Awfully convenient
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:09 pm to CptRusty
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:16 pm to DelU249
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Criminals are attracted to black markets.
So stop creating black markets then.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:20 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:30 pm to DelU249
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now, what else do you think should be legal? I keep asking, you keep ducking, and I know why
I haven’t ducked away at all, I answered you earlier. All drugs should be legal to adults over the age of 18. Prostitution should be legal to all adults over the age of 18 as well.
And both should be regulated.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:37 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:46 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:51 pm to DelU249
Fox, you say that criminals will just find another medium to commit crimes, and I agree with you somewhat. However, roughly half the people in prison right now are there due in some way, shape, or form from drugs. This country should not be the highest incarcerated country on the face of the earth and it is and large part due to drugs.
It begs the question, why should I as an adult have any right to tell you what you’re allowed to put into your body. If you’re a fricking idiot and want to shoot up, have at it. That is your decision.
If you’re so worried about children getting their hands on it then you should be just as worried about them with alcohol.
It begs the question, why should I as an adult have any right to tell you what you’re allowed to put into your body. If you’re a fricking idiot and want to shoot up, have at it. That is your decision.
If you’re so worried about children getting their hands on it then you should be just as worried about them with alcohol.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:52 pm to DelU249
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And it will destroy lives and entire communities. Just look at what crack did.
Most of the destruction from crack came from the violence surrounding it, mostly caused by the dealers protecting their revenue stream and not by the users. Violence surrounding the sale of alcohol went down after prohibition ended. It makes no sense to think that the violence from the sale of crack wouldn't have been decreased also.
I think you overestimate the number of people involved in the drug trade that would simply find new crimes to commit. The ease of selling drugs combined with the huge profits and availability make it much more attractive than other crimes.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:13 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:19 pm to DelU249
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I am, but are you equating alcohol with crack, heroin, etc?
There's a libertarian explanation for why crack/heroin should not be legal, but marijuana should.
The idea that libertarians espouse when calling for the end of drug prohibition is that consenting adults should be allowed to choose what they put in their body. Crack, Meth, Coke, and Heroin (among others) are so incredibly powerfully addictive, that they can be considered to remove the willful consent of someone taking them.
Admittedly, this is when we start getting into a debate over what constitutes "too addictive", but regardless, there doesn't need to be an abandonment of libertarian principle to say that weed should be legal but heroin should not.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:23 pm to DelU249
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I’m with you on marijuana but this is why I don’t want libertarians or constitutional conservatives (diet libertarians) in office. Because the extremes to which they’ll apply those principles is fricking insane
You don’t want the government to follow the constitution to the letter? That’s weird.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:36 pm to CptRusty
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:55 pm to DelU249
This discussion somehow veered off of what would be "effective" in CJ reform into what is "right".
From the outset we failed to define "effective" in terms of what goals we are trying to achieve. I'd simply like to reexamine the non-violent offenses that land people in prison. The most glaring example, to me, is pot decriminalization.
I see this as both effective and righteous, whereas you do not agree it will be effective. I will admit that expecting a 100% reduction relative to the number of current MJ related convictions is absurd, but I'm not so pessimistic as to say it's not a worthwhile endeavor.
From the outset we failed to define "effective" in terms of what goals we are trying to achieve. I'd simply like to reexamine the non-violent offenses that land people in prison. The most glaring example, to me, is pot decriminalization.
I see this as both effective and righteous, whereas you do not agree it will be effective. I will admit that expecting a 100% reduction relative to the number of current MJ related convictions is absurd, but I'm not so pessimistic as to say it's not a worthwhile endeavor.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:59 pm to Strannix
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When the police tack back towards protecting the citizenry and away from being a revenue generating mafia we may see real criminal justice reform.
I'm a believer in Jury Nullification. When the USSC ruled against it in the late 1800's, it removed a great portion of our sovereignty.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:05 pm to CptRusty
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:13 pm to DelU249
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but it’s not with the aim of decreasing the prison population and to that end, I don’t think it will be very effective
we agree here. If 100% of MJ peddlers turned around and started robbing people, then send 100% of them to prison.
I don't see the sheer numbers of incarcerated people as the problem with our system, I see the reasons for (some of) those incarcerations as the problem.
I said earlier, the point of CJ reform is not a blanket reduction on the number of incarcerations, it's a reexamination on the reasons why we incarcerate people. This is why your position that decriminalizing weed "wouldn't be effective" doesn't make any sense to me.
If people don't go to prison for trafficking plants, then as far as I'm concerned, that's objective met.
Now...if they turn around and start acting the arse in other ways, well that's their problem, but afaic the criminal justice system will have been reformed, at least in a small way, for the better.
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