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Semi Automatic Firearm Technology is 100+ Years Old
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 10:47 pm
I never post here and may get AIDs from doing so but here's a PSA:
I'm no firearm historian but a quick google search told me that the first semi automatic handgun was invented back in 1892. For those who can't count that is 126 years.
Firearms are actually pretty simple tools when you get down to the basics. Where technology has improved in more recent years comes with improvements in accuracy and more consistency in ammunition. As far as the basic parts of an AR15, I could grab an M16 from the Vietnam era and swap parts with one of my personal AR15s.
And for those considering magazine bans, consider this - a magazine is simply a box with a spring in it. The rise of 3D printers makes virtually anyone capable of printing a box and putting a spring in it. Know that Cho was able to kill 32 at Virginia Tech back in 2007 with a bunch of 10 round magazines. The average response time for police is around 8 minutes nationally and a person can reload a whole bunch of times in 8 minutes.
A controversial solution maybe, but as a firearms instructor I think our best way to defend schools against these psychopaths is to have a defense plan tailored to each school, with a handpicked group of armed teachers. Every school can have its own method of properly storing the firearms (obviously away from the children) and it can train teachers exactly how they want them to train. The teachers can voluntarily choose to be one of these teachers and the school can decide if it wishes for the person to be armed. I don't necessarily dislike the idea of armed security at schools but that leaves it up to one single first responder rather than turning trained volunteers into first responders. I think thoroughly training and empowering teachers would be much more effective.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that teachers have been armed in Utah since Sandy Hook happened.
I too am just as bothered seeing these kids torn up emotionally and hearing of how many died. I can't imagine being a parent and losing a child. But the only way for these crimes to decrease in number is for these psychos to encounter resistance right after their evil plans begin. Mass shooters are just like predators in the wild - they want weak, soft prey. And when the prey fight back, the predators are much more likely to crumble and retreat.
I will try to answer any specific, reasonable questions that those uneducated about firearms may have. I was raised by a hunting father and have been teaching concealed carry classes for 5 years so I am a well-versed and consider myself a reasonable person if an argument is backed by good data.
I'm no firearm historian but a quick google search told me that the first semi automatic handgun was invented back in 1892. For those who can't count that is 126 years.
Firearms are actually pretty simple tools when you get down to the basics. Where technology has improved in more recent years comes with improvements in accuracy and more consistency in ammunition. As far as the basic parts of an AR15, I could grab an M16 from the Vietnam era and swap parts with one of my personal AR15s.
And for those considering magazine bans, consider this - a magazine is simply a box with a spring in it. The rise of 3D printers makes virtually anyone capable of printing a box and putting a spring in it. Know that Cho was able to kill 32 at Virginia Tech back in 2007 with a bunch of 10 round magazines. The average response time for police is around 8 minutes nationally and a person can reload a whole bunch of times in 8 minutes.
A controversial solution maybe, but as a firearms instructor I think our best way to defend schools against these psychopaths is to have a defense plan tailored to each school, with a handpicked group of armed teachers. Every school can have its own method of properly storing the firearms (obviously away from the children) and it can train teachers exactly how they want them to train. The teachers can voluntarily choose to be one of these teachers and the school can decide if it wishes for the person to be armed. I don't necessarily dislike the idea of armed security at schools but that leaves it up to one single first responder rather than turning trained volunteers into first responders. I think thoroughly training and empowering teachers would be much more effective.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that teachers have been armed in Utah since Sandy Hook happened.
I too am just as bothered seeing these kids torn up emotionally and hearing of how many died. I can't imagine being a parent and losing a child. But the only way for these crimes to decrease in number is for these psychos to encounter resistance right after their evil plans begin. Mass shooters are just like predators in the wild - they want weak, soft prey. And when the prey fight back, the predators are much more likely to crumble and retreat.
I will try to answer any specific, reasonable questions that those uneducated about firearms may have. I was raised by a hunting father and have been teaching concealed carry classes for 5 years so I am a well-versed and consider myself a reasonable person if an argument is backed by good data.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:25 am to bapple
Firearms were single shot and that's all they would have ever been if not for the invention of the cartridge. Bullet, casing, powder and self-contained primer.
The invention of the self contained cartridge made all things possible.
The invention of the self contained cartridge made all things possible.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:30 am to bapple
I’d be cool with arming teacher if they pass an intense inspection and training program
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:31 am to Pelican fan99
How about a concealed.carry class?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:45 am to bapple
I hesitate to institute more government, but in a post 9/11 world if we can bulk up a soft target like our nation's airports w/ TSA then we could/should institute a federally funded school-security apparatus (ala TSA, Homeland Security, etc.). Federally funded. Period.
Use retired military and retired police officers. If all they did was SLOW THE GUY DOWN... even just a few minutes before the cavalry arrives that might be enough to save us from another slaughter.
We'll never be able to stop a single person for killing another if they hell-bent on doing so but we CAN prevent Columbines/Sandy Hooks/Parkland-type disasters.
Use retired military and retired police officers. If all they did was SLOW THE GUY DOWN... even just a few minutes before the cavalry arrives that might be enough to save us from another slaughter.
We'll never be able to stop a single person for killing another if they hell-bent on doing so but we CAN prevent Columbines/Sandy Hooks/Parkland-type disasters.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:18 am to bapple
All of that is common sense. There is no way to physically remove guns from American society so any solution that attempts to restrict access to guns is a non starter. A person with criminal intent will get a gun. Restricting access to law abiding citizens only makes it easier for bad people to do bad things.
These mass shooting lone wolf types are going to pop up out of nowhere. Maybe they give warning that could have prompted some intervention but that’s no guarantee. The fastest way to stop the carnage is to introduce a good guy or guys with guns into the situation ASAP. Since law enforcement response time is what it is, the only logical solution is to make guns immediately accessible in the moment to the good guys and the more the better.
The only argument against this is the absurd suggestion that law abiding citizens are somehow prone to suddenly forgetting how to be a responsible gun owner because a gun is immediately available to him. The millions of guns lawfully carried everyday belies that suggestion.
These mass shooting lone wolf types are going to pop up out of nowhere. Maybe they give warning that could have prompted some intervention but that’s no guarantee. The fastest way to stop the carnage is to introduce a good guy or guys with guns into the situation ASAP. Since law enforcement response time is what it is, the only logical solution is to make guns immediately accessible in the moment to the good guys and the more the better.
The only argument against this is the absurd suggestion that law abiding citizens are somehow prone to suddenly forgetting how to be a responsible gun owner because a gun is immediately available to him. The millions of guns lawfully carried everyday belies that suggestion.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:51 am to Jack Bauers HnK
The reason that schools and theaters are a target are because there is little resistance there.
You sure as shite don't see mass shooting at the Police Office or the local Gun show.
Why?
They've got good guys that will merc those shite stains.
These sick bastards choose places where they can have free reign until the police finally respond.
You sure as shite don't see mass shooting at the Police Office or the local Gun show.
Why?
They've got good guys that will merc those shite stains.
These sick bastards choose places where they can have free reign until the police finally respond.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 1:19 pm to Pelican fan99
quote:
I’d be cool with arming teacher if they pass an intense inspection and training program
And that's exactly what I'm suggesting. I'm thinking it would be a program that works with law enforcement and voluntary teachers to where they can work together. So that if an incident were to occur, everyone is on the exact same page.
quote:
I hesitate to institute more government, but in a post 9/11 world if we can bulk up a soft target like our nation's airports w/ TSA then we could/should institute a federally funded school-security apparatus (ala TSA, Homeland Security, etc.). Federally funded. Period.
This is the polar opposite of my idea. Like I said, it makes more sense to empower the teachers and give them the training necessary to be an immediate responder rather than wait for help to arrive. Plus if you have only 1 or 2 security guards at a school, they are uniformed and stand out and are two easy targets to rid before going on a killing spree.
The best solution would be thorough training and vetting of armed teachers who are already employees at the school.
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