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re: SCOTUS says "No Thanks" to Kim Davis and "Yes" to same sex marriage.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:15 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:15 am to boosiebadazz
quote:There are logical realities that can show a truth claim as either true or false. If you reject them, that’s on you.
And no matter what you write, it will still be your subjective opinion and not an objective, verifiable fact.
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Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:16 am to FooManChoo
How do you know all this? Where is this realm?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:20 am to PrattvilleTiger
quote:God has revealed this through the Bible. Where it is, isn’t said.
How do you know all this? Where is this realm?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:24 am to Snipe
So, you don't have to have lust to have sex? I'm confused by your response. Please don't think I'm being a smartass with you. I'm not. You are able to have sex strictly from love? No lust involved? We as men have an organ on our bodies that has to function properly for the act of sex to occur. You, as a man, need no lust for that to happen?
And, you don't think it's extremely arrogant and didactic to tell other people what they feel for someone is strictly lust and not love?
And, you don't think it's extremely arrogant and didactic to tell other people what they feel for someone is strictly lust and not love?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 9:24 am to FooManChoo
quote:
There are logical realities that can show a truth claim as either true or false. If you reject them, that’s on you.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 10:06 am to PrattvilleTiger
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So, you don't have to have lust to have sex? I'm confused by your response.
You should pray and ask the Holy Spirit for discernment. With and open heart.
God is ready and wiling to have a personal relationship with you but it's only going to be through your free will.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 10:23 am to FooManChoo
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The creator of all things and the source of all goodness, human dignity, and human rights has revealed Himself through the Bible, not those other documents. This is a matter of objective truth,
You do understand that religions all over the world say the exact same thing about their own religion, right? And they believe it just as sincerely as you do.
All religions simply use the logic of the Napkin Religion.
Again, the Constitution is the supreme source of law in the United States. Religious texts have nothing to do at all with whether a law is constitutional.
Perhaps you would rather hear it from Jesus:
quote:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
Matthew 22:21
Posted on 11/11/25 at 10:30 am to retired_tiger
quote:
Again, the Constitution is the supreme source of law in the United States.
No, that would be the 9 people who write opinions about the Constitution.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 10:48 am to Green Chili Tiger
I honestly couldn't care less if gays get married. Way more important things to worry about than this.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 12:05 pm to retired_tiger
quote:Yes. Christianity isn’t true just because someone said it is, but as it comes from God, it comports to reality.
You do understand that religions all over the world say the exact same thing about their own religion, right? And they believe it just as sincerely as you do.
quote:Christianity doesn’t. It is reasonable and comports with reality. In fact, only the God of the Bible makes reality intelligible.
All religions simply use the logic of the Napkin Religion.
quote:Jesus also said “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matt. 28:18)
Again, the Constitution is the supreme source of law in the United States. Religious texts have nothing to do at all with whether a law is constitutional.
Perhaps you would rather hear it from Jesus:
quote:
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
Matthew 22:21
Paul said that the government is God’s minister/servant for justice (Rom 13), and Peter and John said we should obey God rather than man (Acts 4:19).
Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords and all owe allegiance to Him.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/25 at 12:13 pm to FooManChoo
Again, Muslims in good faith make the same claims as you do.
As do people from every other religion.
What you're saying is not unique.
You would not want our government to be based upon one of those other religions, right? Well they, who are as American as you are, don't want our government to be based upon your religion.
The supreme law for our government is the Constitution, and all religions are treated and respected equally.
As do people from every other religion.
What you're saying is not unique.
You would not want our government to be based upon one of those other religions, right? Well they, who are as American as you are, don't want our government to be based upon your religion.
The supreme law for our government is the Constitution, and all religions are treated and respected equally.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:12 pm to TulsaSooner78
quote:
So plural marriage is allowed now?
If you can find a church that does it, sure. Without a marriage license it’s just some guy saying you are married now. Just don’t expect the government to recognize it. Shouldn’t be a problem since we want the government out of the marriage business.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:38 pm to Snipe
I do have a personal relationship with God.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 1:43 pm to FooManChoo
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with many things your saying, but you're arguing in support of theocracy. That's scary. You do realize Muslims reproduce at a much higher rate than Christians. What if the USA is majority Muslim in 200 years? I doubt you would be arguing for a theocracy then.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 3:51 pm to PrattvilleTiger
Then you should ask him for the answers you are looking for.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:00 pm to retired_tiger
quote:All truth claims require examination. I’m happy to do that. I’m not saying Christianity is unique in its claim of exclusively, but I also don’t think that just because it isn’t unique in such a claim that it is false or that all others are equally true.
Again, Muslims in good faith make the same claims as you do.
As do people from every other religion.
What you're saying is not unique.
quote:I don’t believe the other religions are true, so why should I want to have the government conformed to a falsehood?
You would not want our government to be based upon one of those other religions, right? Well they, who are as American as you are, don't want our government to be based upon your religion.
Just because the others believe a falsehood doesn’t mean I should abandon the truth or its application to government.
You are promoting secularism in government. That is as much as a truth claim as my claim. That is why discussion should continue.
quote:I disagree that that should be the case and would support a change to the first amendment recognizing the truth of Christianity. The Constitution came into existence a few hundred years ago. God’s plan of redemption through Jesus occurred before time itself.
The supreme law for our government is the Constitution, and all religions are treated and respected equally.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:04 pm to PrattvilleTiger
quote:I’m not arguing for a theocracy. I’m arguing for a partnership between the government and the Christian Church for the glory of God and the expansion of the kingdom of Jesus Christ through the proclamation of the gospel.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with many things your saying, but you're arguing in support of theocracy. That's scary.
quote:Again, not arguing for a theocracy.
You do realize Muslims reproduce at a much higher rate than Christians. What if the USA is majority Muslim in 200 years? I doubt you would be arguing for a theocracy then.
I would be arguing for a partnership between the state and the Christian Church even if Muslims were in power.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:18 pm to WeeWee
quote:Neither a religious ceremony performed by a priest or a legal/civil one performed by a magistrate have any bearing on whether the act itself is ungodly.
Unless the marriage is performed by a priest or preacher then it is nothing more than a legal matter.
If it is ungodly a priest’s blessing cannot make it holy; if it’s not ungodly a magistrate’s warrant cannot make it unholy.
I have not read the opinion yet.
Does it leave denominations or churches who refuse to recognize, perform, or bless homosexual unions freedom of religious conscience in the matter?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:55 pm to FooManChoo
Isn't the US government supposed to be neutral in regards to religion?
England has something similar to what you're suggesting. It didn't turn out very well.
England has something similar to what you're suggesting. It didn't turn out very well.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:56 pm to Snipe
I did. I didn't get a response.
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