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re: SCOTUS just restored Trump’s constitutional power to remove rogue commissioners

Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:02 pm to
Posted by lake chuck fan
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:02 pm to
The OP's post is incorrect. SCOTUS only ruled that Trumps dismissals could stand while the merits of the case are argued in lower courts. A full decision is expected in 2026.

Below is from Grok.

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SCOTUS Emergency Actions (Shadow Docket): On May 22, 2025, in an unsigned 6-3 order in Trump v. Wilcox, the Court stayed lower-court orders reinstating Wilcox and Harris, allowing their removals to stand temporarily while litigation proceeds. The majority emphasized the president's Article II removal power, but this was not a merits ruling on Humphrey's Executor—it was an interim measure to avoid "disruptive" agency instability. Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson dissented, arguing the order effectively bypassed precedent without full briefing or argument.
On September 22, 2025, in a similar 6-3 order in Trump v. Slaughter, the Court stayed a district court injunction blocking Slaughter's removal from the FTC, again permitting it to proceed pending review. This explicitly queued the case for merits arguments in December 2025, with briefing ordered on whether FTC removal protections violate separation of powers and if Humphrey's Executor should be overruled.

No Final Merits Decision Yet: These stays signal the conservative majority's skepticism toward Humphrey's Executor (building on narrower rulings like Seila Law LLC v. CFPB in 2020, which invalidated single-director agency protections). The Trump DOJ has urged overruling the precedent outright, aligning with Project 2025's push for unitary executive power. However, as of today, Humphrey's Executor remains binding law. A full decision is expected in 2026, potentially carving out exceptions (e.g., for the Federal Reserve to avoid market disruption).


Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:06 pm to
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Our system is built to reject consolidated control like the "Unified Executive" theory Trump's admin keeps pushing.

You can call your Congressman. You can't call the President.



Yet, the only position in our federal government that every legal citizen can vote for is POTUS. Im not saying Congress isn't important, but POTUS absolutely represents the will of the people.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:07 pm to
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Yet, the only position in our federal government that every legal citizen can vote for is POTUS

Nobody can vote for the President

*ETA: directly
This post was edited on 10/11/25 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:08 pm to
Impossible
I was told earlier he doesn't represent anyone because you can't call him

But a Congressman actually does. Lol
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

I was told earlier he doesn't represent anyone


Actual words used:

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who is much more of a representative of the people than the President
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:15 pm to
You can call your congressman you can't call a President.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:19 pm to
Correct. One is much more representative of a particular individual. Must more responsive and threatened by its local constituents, too.

You get 100 people in whatever county you're in to express how angry they are with Trump and it means literally nothing.

You get 100 people in your county to call your rep? Much higher chance of a response or doing what they're told.
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:21 pm to
Meh you call you aren't talking to the Congressman unless you dropped a shite ton of money into his election.
Posted by goatmilker
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:22 pm to
Correct
3 paragraphs
Outstanding
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 4:40 pm to
This is exactly what I voted for
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:04 pm to
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SCOTUS just restored Trump’s constitutional power to remove rogue commissioners
Nioce. And perfecting timing with the shutdown and Trump's team going whole hog with pink slips. Dems may end up scrambling to sign the CR to slow the bleeding.

I hope Trumps team has the pink slips ready for all the commissioners that have been acting like punks since his first term.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21202 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:23 pm to
quote:

quote:
Yet, the only position in our federal government that every legal citizen can vote for is POTUS

Nobody can vote for the President


Oh lawd... go frick urself!
Its impossible to have any communication with your, ur insufferable.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68950 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:25 pm to
I send Trump DMs all the time and then see them being implemented shortly after.

You think he came up with mass deportations?

HA
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71421 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Nioce. And perfecting timing with the shutdown and Trump's team going whole hog with pink slips. Dems may end up scrambling to sign the CR to slow the bleeding.

I hope Trumps team has the pink slips ready for all the commissioners that have been acting like punks since his first term.

Six hours in and after multiple clarifications (even on the first page), dumbasses are still taking this shite at face value.

I don't know if that is amazing or just sad.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42055 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:43 pm to
Yet you are the one melting all over the place itt.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71421 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:48 pm to
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Yet you are the one melting all over the place itt.

Melting? I'm laughing at the unashamed ignorance on display. Your bar for a "melt" must be very, very low.
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:49 pm to
Wonderful news!
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/11/25 at 5:55 pm to
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Why? They're "answerable" to Congress, who is much more of a representative of the people than the President

Lulz

When has Congress gathered enough votes to remove the head of any independent agency? Their excuse has always been, "Well they are independent. We cant intervene"

Thats not how a republic works

A republic is supposed to be run by the will of the people. But when you have our elected representatives establishing "independent agencies", they are setting them up to act outside of our control.

The supremes should make it clear that once an agency has been created, they answer to the will of the people, through their duly elected administrator

This is the point where I remind you Congress was never intended to execute the functions of the govt. Specifically because they were viewed as citizens first and legislators sporadically. Just because they drew up laws that allowed them to work in DC daily, doesnt change the plain language of our founding documents that they arent there to administrate
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 7:04 pm to
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Oh lawd... go frick urself!
Its impossible to have any communication with your, ur insufferable.

Did you forget about the Electoral College?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465368 posts
Posted on 10/11/25 at 7:07 pm to
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When has Congress gathered enough votes to remove the head of any independent agency?

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

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Their excuse has always been, "Well they are independent. We cant intervene"

LINK?

That sounds like a straw man

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Thats not how a republic works


Congress acting for citizens is literally the most accurate manifestation of a republic in our system

quote:

A republic is supposed to be run by the will of the people.

That's Congress's role

quote:

. But when you have our elected representatives establishing "independent agencies", they are setting them up to act outside of our control.

You seem confused as to what "independent agencies" means

The straw man above makes sense now.

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