re: Scholars say pedophilia is a sexual orientation that should be accepted

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They poster previously known as Hank absolutely considered them victims.


or RogerTheShrubber

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Some were raped as children, so their sexual values are fricked up.

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Nope. They know right from wrong.

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What makes them victims?


Being sexually abused as children.

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Only if they cant tell right from wrong. And they can, they know they are wrong.

O.k., I said I wouldn't reply again, but here goes.

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there has been NO movement towards this goal.

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That's your characterization. When I see that TED talk and it sounds exactly like the clinical dialogue regarding past sexual proclivities that were once regarded as pathological but have now been normalized, that is movement IMO.

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Other than basic societal norms, sure.

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Basic societal norms—and the opinion of the scientific community—used to be that both homosexuality and gender dysphoria were pathological and immoral (at least the expression of them).

In fact, a substantial portion of the country still thinks so.

And with regard to the latter, that only changed from a pathology to "being normal" in 2013. Not yet 12 years ago.

So I don't know what you think "basic societal norms" are going to prevent from happening.

The trans grooming obvious harms children. The basic societal value of protecting children from harm hasn't stopped anybody with regard to trans issues, so why would it stop anybody from normalizing pedophilia?

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This is called the Texas Sharpshooter's Fallacy

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To the degree that might be true as a technicality, I think it's pretty irrelevant in the context of the discussion. So what if people didn't correctly pick the bad thing that was going to follow gay marriage? They still knew there was a slippery slope. They still knew it wouldn't end there.

The cues that echo how both homosexuality and gender dysphoria came to be normalized are still present. The argument you're making is that because no one correctly predicted the details of what would followed gay marriage, that means that no one can predict this pedophilia trend now.

But we have more history and more data with which to predict now than we had then. We've observed another trend emerge and watched how it has progressed.

What this really comes down to is that I see that TED talk and think, "That sounds just like the way they used to regard homosexuality and gender dysphoria," and I also factor in the fact that harming children hasn't stopped anyone from grooming them into trans-nonsense, so I know I can't count on that "basic societal norm" to keep it from happening, I also note that the trans-nonsense has established a logical precedent for children being able to consent to life-altering decisions, so I know I can't count on the "children can't consent" basic societal norm that used to exist, and finally, I observe how psychology was infiltrated by political interests with regard to both the aforementioned sexual proclivities, and I draw a conclusion from all of that.

You deny that I have enough information to do so, and you also seemingly deny that the TED talk is part of a pattern we've seen play out at least twice before (actually, at least three times. Because psychologists did the same thing with normalizing divorce, claiming that it wouldn't harm children, and we know where that has led).

O.k.

I think the discussion is over. We'll have to agree to disagree on the above.

But just so we're clear, there's no logical reason for your hardline stance.

You see all of the above and still say, "There's no movement in that direction and it will never happen due to the basic societal norms that we've already seen go by the wayside already in the course of the trans situation. We ignored them in that context, but we'll pick them back up and hold to them in this context."

I look at the above and draw a different conclusion.

Time will tell who is correct.

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Being sexually abused as children.

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How kind of them to pass it on.


What percentage of child frickers were abused as children? I have a feeling it’s lower than what is reported.

What do they mean by "accepted"? What I mean is that pedophilia is a deviant sexual orientation. It is extremely disordered, because it places itself so far away from God's Plan for Human Sexuality. This disordered sexual orientation is very destructive to our Society of Ordered Liberty that it must be proscribed, and, if pedos cannot control their urges, then they must be separated from Society.

If we can "accept" pedos within the constraints that I describe above, then, yes, we can accept them in that context. We can accept them as fellow Pilgrims and Sinners in this Earthly journey.

A Pedo who can't control themselves will later thank us for removing them from our Society and placing them in the Penitentiary.

We have to save them from themselves.

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What percentage of child frickers were abused as children?

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Because we can't really study this (see: this thread) we don't know fully. There is no way to know the population of the non-offending CSA class. They're not exactly going to identify and be told they should die for being victims who don't act on it. I think most agree it's a high %.

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It won't end up in the same place b/c we're talking about pedophilia, dude.
Of course it will.

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Yep, zero doubt.

And women will lead the charge.

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They poster previously known as Hank absolutely considered them victims.

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20 page SFP taking up Hanks mantle for minor-attracted people and their long dark pursuit of dignity

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20 page SFP taking up Hanks mantle for minor-attracted people and their long dark pursuit of dignity

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I’m SHOCKED to open a thread and read that SFP is in here downplaying pedophilia.

Shocked I tell ya!