re: Scarborough Is Mad As Hell And He's Not Going To Take It Anymore

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I don't fully agree with him on the TM case, but, I also don't disagree that GZ really aint a great guy who anyone should hang their hat on. I can live with the fact that he sees the entirety of the case differently than me because he's not approaching it from sort of irrational stance that says if you don't support TM, you're racist like some did.

People disagree in life. That's not a big deal.

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That's a pretty reasonable take.

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Seriously, what would you rather, that he omit evidence that will eventually go before a jury trial and lose horribly there instead? Do you honestly think that would have made the situation any better? Either riot now or riot later. But there was going to be a riot because the narrative had already been established.

We are not dealing with rationale people. They actually believe that Officer Wilson (immediatley after helping a black mother with her sick child) shot in the back a fleeing, unarmed black teenager in broad day light in the middle of the street and then executed him after he surrendered.

Puhlease.

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Seriously, what would you rather, that he omit evidence that will eventually go before a jury trial and lose horribly there instead?

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THIS the important thing to me.

If this goes to trial, the DA gets smeared worse than a bad defense facing TCU. And, a trial wouldn't have deterred the riots one goddamned bit.

So, basically, people wish that Wilson had been drug before court in a total waste of time to end up in the same place we are today.

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But there was going to be a riot because the narrative had already been established.

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Yep. Literally every goddamned witness could've echoed Wilson and it wouldn't have mattered a bit. As it is, the witnesses seemed about half and half which any rational person would understand means acquittal. But, the rioters are NOT rational!!!

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What I think is going on is that McCulloch, just like DA's all over the country, handle the grand jury process differently when a cop is accused of shooting someone. If Wilson was Black, I think McCulloch would have handled the case the same way, but if if Wilson wasn't a cop, I think McCulloch would have sought and gotten an indictment, if not skipped the grand jury process altogether. I think there's natural and understandable inclination for DA's to give cops the benefit of every doubt, and McCulloch's personal family history was just icing on the cake.

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Nah. I think if a DA gets a case where fully half of the BLACK witnesses are generally supporting the story told by the cop, he knows he's got a shite show for a case.

As to any other examples. Even if both parties were black, or white, or no cops were involved, if you've got several eyewitnesses directly contradicting each other and a coroner's report that doesn't flatly rule out the perp's story, you're fricked at trial.

DAs all know that while trials by media are fun, that shite doesn't play the same in a courtroom.

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As far as Mika, from the very beginning you could tell that she was EXTREMELY uncomfortable going off from the White House/Messiah talking points. She reminds me of that new commercial about people never going off script -- until a new Audi pulls off and takes the main character away and "off script". The Kool-Aid drinking morons just can't comprehend how someone could possible go "off script". Mika just can't fathom that ANYONE could defy and not follow the talking points of her Dear Leader. It made her EXTREMELY uncomfortable.

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Mika is horrible on that show. I'd bet that she is where she is because of her father.

He didn't subvert the process. That's nonsense.

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* Mccullough says there isn't anything here, we aren't charging wilson

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He gets fired or told to step aside and someone else takes case to GJ.

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* Mccullough takes it to the grand jury and follows standard process

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See above. He knows this is pure politics. Why should HE be obligated to play the same stupid game?

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I am not ok with him trying to subvert the process to meet his end goals

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Him being forced(and let's face it, you know he was) to go to a GJ is a subversion of the process.

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but there is a reason black people don't trust the police.

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The converse to this is true too ya know.

As for black mistrust. Well, look at this case as an example. Blacks as a group seem to have pretty much zero use for facts in these cases. Hence, they end up using absolute horse shite cases to support their mistrust. And, it doesn't just stop at crime.

As a group, blacks often see ALL negative interactions between whites and blacks as a result of racism. Hence, this silly perverted view ends up reinforcing itself.

Sometimes, ya get shitty service from the white waitress cause she's having a shitty day or is just a shitty waitress. MANY MANY MANY blacks are COMPLETELY loath to acknowledge this reality. As such, they literally see racism EVERY day and hell, multiple times a day. Call them on it and they'll say, "what, you think there's no racism...?"

As if the fact there is racism makes every charge or racism true.

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...follows standard process

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What "standard process" did he not follow? Withholding evidence that only supported his case? Are you absolutely delusional?

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I am not ok with him trying to subvert the process to meet his end goals.

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What process? You are out and out saying that you wanted him to withhold exculpatory or mitigating evidence to arrive at a predetermined outcome.

Okay, so he follows "standard process" (you still haven't defined it but I will play along) and they now have an indictment from the grand jury, now what?

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Why should HE be obligated to play the same stupid game?

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b.c its his fricking job.

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Him being forced(and let's face it, you know he was) to go to a GJ is a subversion of the process.

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Right but that doesn't mean he can attempt to do something different to get what he wants.

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As for black mistrust. Well, look at this case as an example. Blacks as a group seem to have pretty much zero use for facts in these cases. Hence, they end up using absolute horse shite cases to support their mistrust. And, it doesn't just stop at crime.

As a group, blacks often see ALL negative interactions between whites and blacks as a result of racism. Hence, this silly perverted view ends up reinforcing itself.

Sometimes, ya get shitty service from the white waitress cause she's having a shitty day or is just a shitty waitress. MANY MANY MANY blacks are COMPLETELY loath to acknowledge this reality. As such, they literally see racism EVERY day and hell, multiple times a day. Call them on it and they'll say, "what, you think there's no racism...?"

As if the fact there is racism makes every charge or racism true.

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Oh, we have a shite ton of problems with race in this country. I am not denying it, but blacks being unequally targeted by the police is a real thing. And this is why everyone is so riled up.

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b.c its his fricking job.

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Um. No. Had he been allowed to do HIS job would've been not to bring it to GJ.

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Please tell me you didn't just throw the racism card at me.

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but blacks being unequally targeted by the police is a real thing.

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I agree with this. Alas, just because all lions are cats does not mean all cats are lions.

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And this is why everyone is so riled up.

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No. They're riled up because they can't be bothered to see ANY possibility other than race.

Hey. Guess what. Blacks committing disproportionate amounts of violent crime is a thing too. But, I would hope you'd have a problem if whites couldn't be bothered to hear actual facts in a case and just assumed any time a white person accused a black person, it was true. Oh, wait, you WOULD have a problem with that. As you should.

Well, guess what............