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SC state representative calls Lindsey Graham a swamp creature for his red flag law support
Posted on 4/4/19 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 10:16 pm
Spot on IMO. Red Flag Laws would be one of the biggest anti-gun victories in my lifetime.
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SC Representative and other gun rights activists gathered at a popular shooting range and gun store on Monday to denounce US Senator Lindsey Graham and his support for what they call “red flag gun confiscation legislation.”
District 8 State Representative Jonathon Hill (R-Anderson) and National Association for Gun Rights President Dudley Brown held a news conference Monday evening at Sharpshooters Gun Club on Rutherford Rd.
Graham, who is the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman, and his committee will be conducting hearings on “red flag” legislation.
“Red flag gun confiscation schemes, also known as ‘Extreme Risk Protection Orders,’ are egregious violations of the right to self-defense and the right to due process,” Hill said in a news release. “Senator Graham is advancing legislation that represents an un-American departure from the idea that you are ‘innocent until proven guilty.’ Bottom line—it treats innocent citizens like dangerous criminals.”
Hill went on to call Graham a “swamp creature” and warned that Graham “will pay a high political price for crossing South Carolina gun owners with the ‘red flag’ law.”
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Posted on 4/5/19 at 5:56 am to weagle99
We've discussed this ad nauseam; most of us agree that nutjobs shouldn't have guns BUT solving the problem is.......well the problem....none of us trust anyone in DC with coming up with a solution.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:33 am to Wtodd
We should stop trying to fix the problem of mass shootings and instead begin celebrating them as testaments to how free we are here in America.
I believe Jefferson’s line was mistranslated. It seems that every now and then the Tree of Liberty should be watered with the blood of teenagers.
I believe Jefferson’s line was mistranslated. It seems that every now and then the Tree of Liberty should be watered with the blood of teenagers.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 6:36 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:36 am to boosiebadazz
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I believe Jefferson’s line was mistranslated. It seems that every now and then the tree of Liberty should be watered with the blood of teenagers.
Why just teenagers? There's a shite ton of "adults" that could use some purging
Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:38 am to Wtodd
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We've discussed this ad nauseam; most of us agree that nutjobs shouldn't have guns BUT solving the problem is.......well the problem....none of us trust anyone in DC with coming up with a solution.
The problem a lot of Americans have is that they think that all problems have a potential government solution.
this is why you often hear stupid statements like "well if you don't like our plan what's your plan?"
The obvious presumption being that if you don't have a plan you don't care about the problem. But that is childish thinking. Sometimes the best plan is no plan. In fact quite often the best plan is no plan.
But that gets to another problem people have. Single variable thinking. They see a problem and they come up with a plan that theoretically reduces the problem and they don't give a single thought to any other effects of their plan.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 6:53 am to Wtodd
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most of us agree that nutjobs shouldn't have guns BUT solving the problem is.......well the problem....none of us trust anyone in DC with coming up with a solution.
The problem is banning the tools instead of treating the problem.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:08 am to weagle99
Trump is a supporter of gun control ideas such as the red flag laws. Probably because he's rich enough to have no concern that someone will raid his house to confiscate his guns because of edgy racist memes he posted on Twitter.
There is a connection being made in the media and in the house of representatives, between the rejection of equality and violence and terrorism. Ostracizing and banning "white nationalists" (but not any other racial nationalist groups) from virtually every medium is step 1.
Step 2 is deliberately targeting "racists" with the full weight of the fed to build up momentum and sway public opinion against these dangerous racist white people.
Step 3 is legislation. Things like red flag laws, anti racism (read: anti white people laws) will be passed with near unanimous support. I mean, none of your politicians reject the idea of equality, and neither do their good hearted constituents, so what harm could it do?
Expect to hear more about these issues as the election year goes on. The establishment and the left understand who gave Trump the momentum in 2015 and 2016, and they were, i believe, shocked that the far right grew as fast as it did, and became extremely powerful on social media. They will absolutely do whatever it takes to intimidate, isolate and eliminate these influences going forward.
Keep an eye on this issue, because the amount of energy and time the state and its media apparatus spend on addressing it in will be telling.
There is a connection being made in the media and in the house of representatives, between the rejection of equality and violence and terrorism. Ostracizing and banning "white nationalists" (but not any other racial nationalist groups) from virtually every medium is step 1.
Step 2 is deliberately targeting "racists" with the full weight of the fed to build up momentum and sway public opinion against these dangerous racist white people.
Step 3 is legislation. Things like red flag laws, anti racism (read: anti white people laws) will be passed with near unanimous support. I mean, none of your politicians reject the idea of equality, and neither do their good hearted constituents, so what harm could it do?
Expect to hear more about these issues as the election year goes on. The establishment and the left understand who gave Trump the momentum in 2015 and 2016, and they were, i believe, shocked that the far right grew as fast as it did, and became extremely powerful on social media. They will absolutely do whatever it takes to intimidate, isolate and eliminate these influences going forward.
Keep an eye on this issue, because the amount of energy and time the state and its media apparatus spend on addressing it in will be telling.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 7:11 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:11 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
We should stop trying to fix the problem of mass shootings and instead begin celebrating them as testaments to how free we are here in America.
I believe Jefferson’s line was mistranslated. It seems that every now and then the Tree of Liberty should be watered with the blood of teenagers.
of wow, so fricking edgy!
The fricking police obviously cannot protect people while cowering beside their squad cars so people need the right to protect themselves.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:24 am to ShortyRob
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this is why you often hear stupid statements like "well if you don't like our plan what's your plan?"
This crap makes me so angry - nobody wants to solve the real underlying problems. They want a more colorful bandaid with an appropriate slogan to cover up the latest eruption of the problem.
The only way to diminish the occurrence (impossible to stop) of mass shootings is to improve the moral fabric of the family. As long as we encourage nihilism to allow families to produce amoral offspring without consequence, we will have more and more dregs of humanity out there looking to act out some grand scheme they have clutched onto because they have no other underpinnings for their lives.
There will always be random outbreaks of total insanity - but the solution is not to disarm all the sane people under the guise that it will stop the insane one.
Every problem we have in modern society is the wholesale abandonment (and now the constant attacks on) Judeao/Christion ethics that was the absolute backbone on which our nation was constructed. As you dismantle the spine that makes the whole organism work properly, the more mutant rejects you will have acting out their moment of supreme insanity.
But any mention of that solution draws instant accusations of RACISM!! - BIGOT!! - HOMOPHOBIC!! - XENOPHOBE!! - ISLAMOPHOBE!! - MISOGYMIST!! - BIBLE THUMPER!! - ELITIST!! - (something) SUPREMIST!!
So the only 'acceptable' reaction to a tragedy is to further restrict the freedoms and rights of 100s of millions of people who had absolutely no involvement with the tragedy.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:27 am to gthog61
quote:They (and everyone around them) are usually cowering behind their cars due to the actions of a person who could easily have been the subject of a Gun Violence Protective Order, if such had been available.
The fricking police obviously cannot protect people while cowering beside their squad cars so people need the right to protect themselves.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:29 am to weagle99
This makes Trump a swamp creature, no?
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:29 am to Nguyener
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The problem is banning the tools instead of treating the problem.
And the real problem began in the 70s when the Dems voted to release the nuts from the mental institutions and destigmatized being mental.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:30 am to boosiebadazz
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We should stop trying to fix the problem of mass shootings and instead begin celebrating them as testaments to how free we are here in America.
Hard to fix the problem when the Parkland shooter was notified about multiple instances to local and state authorities including the fbi yet they didn’t do a fricking thing. A complete failure by muh gubment. But let’s let muh gubment dictate more laws on citizens.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:32 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Agreed. But one reasonable approach may well be to disarm a FEW people who have been established (on notice and hearing, with full due process) to be dangerous to their communities.
There will always be random outbreaks of total insanity - but the solution is not to disarm all the sane people under the guise that it will stop the insane one.
Countdown to simplistic “shall not be infringed” response
3 .... 2 .... 1 .......
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 8:03 am
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:34 am to AggieHank86
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reasonable approach
Both sides have agendas and I'm not ready for either to have the keys to Pandora's Box.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:36 am to boosiebadazz
I guess you forget this "threat assessment" from a few years ago?
In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says “rightwing extremism” may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration, as merely one among several threat assessments. But she agreed to meet with the head of the American Legion, who had expressed anger over the report, when she returns to Washington next week from a tour of the U.S.-Mexico border.
The Times reported Tuesday that the department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) issued April 7 the nine-page document titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.” Outcry from veterans groups, Republican lawmakers and conservative activists followed, but the reaction spread Wednesday to Democratic lawmakers and liberal-leaning groups.
Washington Times
You know the report where they said "veterans" posed a significant threat without any substantial data to back things up...
fricks like you think gubmint will not abuse its power when it has been clearly demonstrated over and over again...
In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says “rightwing extremism” may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration, as merely one among several threat assessments. But she agreed to meet with the head of the American Legion, who had expressed anger over the report, when she returns to Washington next week from a tour of the U.S.-Mexico border.
The Times reported Tuesday that the department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) issued April 7 the nine-page document titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.” Outcry from veterans groups, Republican lawmakers and conservative activists followed, but the reaction spread Wednesday to Democratic lawmakers and liberal-leaning groups.
Washington Times
You know the report where they said "veterans" posed a significant threat without any substantial data to back things up...
fricks like you think gubmint will not abuse its power when it has been clearly demonstrated over and over again...
Posted on 4/5/19 at 7:45 am to Wtodd
There will always be ideologues and absolutists, but the acceptability of Gun Violence Protective Orders (For most people) will be dependent upon the actual statutory language.
Can the orders be issued ex parte? How soon after an ex parte order is a respondent entitled to have a full hearing?
What is the duration of such orders? What is to be done with the firearms in question during the pendency of such an order?
What is the burden of proof? What is the evidentiary standard?
Is the respondent entitled to a jury trial? What is the appellate practice?
Dependent upon the answers to these (and other) questions, I might or might not support a GVPO proposal.
Can the orders be issued ex parte? How soon after an ex parte order is a respondent entitled to have a full hearing?
What is the duration of such orders? What is to be done with the firearms in question during the pendency of such an order?
What is the burden of proof? What is the evidentiary standard?
Is the respondent entitled to a jury trial? What is the appellate practice?
Dependent upon the answers to these (and other) questions, I might or might not support a GVPO proposal.
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 8:04 am
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