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re: Russia's pretense for invading Ukraine is more solid than Bush's for Iraq.

Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:48 am to
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:48 am to
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Russia's pretense for invading Ukraine is more solid than Bush's for Iraq.


Oh ok. That makes Putin justified as thousands of innocent Ukrainians will die.

Oh, and I'm sure that's Biden's fault.

Idiot.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:49 am to
So do we not care about innocent Russians?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:49 am to
I agree. I love USA, but I understand why Putin would not trust us, or be concerned about his nations security.
Not condoning his actions, but it's not surprising. That's how he thinks, seeing weak leadership and knowing USA and Europe need Russian oil.....
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:54 am to
Whoops, 4000.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:57 am to
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Iraq could have dispelled this myth pretty easily by allowing the UN inspectors into the suspect facilities, as they had already agreed to as part of the cease fire. Saddam told the world to frick off. What was the world supposed to think?


They did, actually. But we kept upping the requirements. And since when did the UN get to decide how much sovereignty countries have?
Posted by cokebottleag
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:00 pm to
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Oh ok. That makes Putin justified as thousands of innocent Ukrainians will die.

Oh, and I'm sure that's Biden's fault.

Idiot.



I'm not saying the war is a good thing. I'm saying it is partially our fault, as well as the president of Ukraine's. He bet that Russia wouldn't stop him from joining NATO. He bet wrong. That was a decision that he made, that he has to take responsibility for.

Everyone has agency in this, not just Putin.

Additionally, if you don't think there have been atrocities in the separatist war in the Donbas on both sides, you're the idiot.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35869 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:01 pm to
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I'm not saying the war is a good thing. I'm saying it is partially our fault, as well as the president of Ukraine's. He bet that Russia wouldn't stop him from joining NATO. He bet wrong. That was a decision that he made, that he has to take responsibility for.

Everyone has agency in this, not just Putin.


I'll never understand the thought process that prescribes any degree of fault to Ukraine for making its own foreign policy decisions. Doing so legitimizes Putin's illegitimate "right" to dictate the policy of other sovereign nations. That is ridiculous.

Ukraine elected a pro-Western government because its citizens want to integrate further with Europe.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37843 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:02 pm to
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So?

Neither invasion is/was justified.


All that needs to be said, but try reasoning with people whose only ability to arguing is measured in memes and cartoons.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16170 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:03 pm to
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Water is more solid than Bush's pretense for going to Iraq



Hey one day we will find those weapons of mass destruction the CIA gave Iraq to use on Iran.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12754 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:10 pm to
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Russia's pretense for invading Ukraine is more solid than Bush's for Iraq.


I like how you stated their pretense.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:12 pm to
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I'll never understand the thought process that prescribes any degree of fault to Ukraine for making its own foreign policy decisions. Doing so legitimizes Putin's illegitimate "right" to dictate the policy of other sovereign nations. That is ridiculous.


I'm trying to wrap my head around this. You understand Russia is making their own foreign policy decisions as well? Do you think Mexico would be totally blameless if they talked about how they were going to join the Warsaw Pact, and let Soviet troops station on their borders across the Rio Grande? "Hur Dur! Can't be mad at Mexico for making their own foreign policy decisions! America has no right to be upset!"

Ukraine is a big boy country. They made a big boy decision and miscalculated the reactions of their neighbors. Was I surprised by the invasion as well? Absolutely, I didn't think Russia would take the risk, which I don't think will work out for them. But I'm not a president with an intelligence agency that should have taken that into account.

quote:

Ukraine elected a pro-Western government because its citizens want to integrate further with Europe


Clearly not all its citizens did. 58% supported joining NATO.

The support for joining NATO was non existent in the Eastern regions, which are predominantly Russian speaking and ethnically Russian.

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:32 pm to
We should have never gone into Iraq. I'm still not seeing great arguments that Putin was in the right either.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35130 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:36 pm to
Bush, Cheney, and Colon Blow Powell should have all been put in Gitmo. All war criminals.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21031 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:37 pm to
Iraq had WMDs. It’s time to come to terms with it. Bush was right.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:41 pm to
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Iraq had WMDs. It’s time to come to terms with it. Bush was right.



Come again? link?
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21031 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:45 pm to
What do you think he was gassing Kurds with? He had chemical and biological weapons.


Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:46 pm to
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poor poor trump always gets everything blamed on him.

in time yes, because not only are people like you far leftists but also far left of the IQ Bell Curve AND

that is a putrid mix when combined with your complete and total lack of integrity or decency
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
2931 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:50 pm to
Imagine believing the MSM that Iraq did not have WMD's. They 100% had them.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18505 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 1:04 pm to
We had legal cause for war. It just wasn't a smart choice. There are lots of things that are legal that still aren't worth doing.

Russia doesn't have any Causus Belli.
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