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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:47 pm to TigerDoc
Propoganda isn’t always false, but it always has an agenda attached.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:48 pm to kingbob
Yes, I think the most effective propaganda is "curated truths" that are misleading by being decontextualized.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:49 pm to Indefatigable
quote:On this boards a lot of pro-russia shills.
I don’t watch cable news, read any opinion/editorial content, or have social media (outside of this site)
If you dont mind - two American names: Trevor Loudon, Cliff Kincaid.
Check them out, maybe it helps.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:51 pm to FLTech
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 3:53 pm to LLeD
I forgot that I also don’t watch or even entertain any internet content creators. They are cancer by mere existence. Random people videos? No thanks.
I watch what happens in the actual world and decide for myself. You’re barking up the wrong tree on brainwashing in my case.
I watch what happens in the actual world and decide for myself. You’re barking up the wrong tree on brainwashing in my case.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:13 pm to Indefatigable
That's probably healthier than living off YouTube politics or algorithmic outrage streams, but I also think modern propaganda is less about “convincing people of totally fake things” and more about shaping which real things feel most salient, emotionally loaded, or civilizationally important.
None of us are really observing geopolitics directly. We’re all seeing curated slices of reality through institutions, feeds, social circles, clips, headlines, etc. The interesting question now is less “who is brainwashed?"” and more “how do different systems steer attention and interpretation?”
None of us are really observing geopolitics directly. We’re all seeing curated slices of reality through institutions, feeds, social circles, clips, headlines, etc. The interesting question now is less “who is brainwashed?"” and more “how do different systems steer attention and interpretation?”
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:27 pm to TigerDoc
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None of us are really observing geopolitics directly. We’re all seeing curated slices of reality through institutions, feeds, social circles, clips, headlines, etc. The interesting question now is less “who is brainwashed?"” and more “how do different systems steer attention and interpretation?”
My routine is the wire services for headlines and events, then the newspapers of record for whatever country/state/town I’m interested in. Plus a daily scan of WSJ, NYT, The Times, AFP, Le Monde, Al Jazeera, Times of India, and Asia Times out of HK.
The variety of the above doesn’t lend much to brainwashing.
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:42 pm to Indefatigable
No, I don't think it is and that’s a much stronger media diet than most people on any side of these arguments have. The important part isn’t agreeing with every source. It’s deliberately exposing yourself to multiple institutional and geopolitical vantage points instead of living inside one algorithmically optimized feed.
I think people underestimate how much “brainwashing” today often comes less from outright false information and more from monoculture information environments where the same emotional framing gets repeated from slightly different angles all day long.
I think people underestimate how much “brainwashing” today often comes less from outright false information and more from monoculture information environments where the same emotional framing gets repeated from slightly different angles all day long.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:44 pm to TigerDoc
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:54 pm to LLeD
You and I probably disagree less on the threat environment than you think. I spent some time on this board posting about malign Russian influence in American politics and our information space (others can attest 
). I definitely don't idealize it.
That said, I don’t think many people in this thread are “idealizing” Russia either so much as reacting against what they perceive as years of simplistic Western messaging and failed foreign-policy narratives. But I also think some Americans underestimate how different Russia looks from Eastern Europe or former Soviet states that have a much more immediate historical memory of Russian domination.
And to be fair, Russia absolutely has engaged in repression, information control, coercive nationalism, and brutal conduct in Ukraine. None of that should be difficult to acknowledge (though some here will be reluctant to acknowledge it). and your sources are right - they're laundering information in Europe media (and have here too).
Where these conversations get messy is that people hear “Russia has committed serious abuses” as “therefore every Western policy response has been wise/effective/honest”, and those are separate questions.
). I definitely don't idealize it. That said, I don’t think many people in this thread are “idealizing” Russia either so much as reacting against what they perceive as years of simplistic Western messaging and failed foreign-policy narratives. But I also think some Americans underestimate how different Russia looks from Eastern Europe or former Soviet states that have a much more immediate historical memory of Russian domination.
And to be fair, Russia absolutely has engaged in repression, information control, coercive nationalism, and brutal conduct in Ukraine. None of that should be difficult to acknowledge (though some here will be reluctant to acknowledge it). and your sources are right - they're laundering information in Europe media (and have here too).
Where these conversations get messy is that people hear “Russia has committed serious abuses” as “therefore every Western policy response has been wise/effective/honest”, and those are separate questions.
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 4:58 pm to TigerDoc
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:11 pm to LLeD
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Six Narratives Russia and Its European Proxies Ran in Tandem
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Narrative 1: “Brussels Is the Enemy and Europe Started the War”
Brussels is not friendly to American interests, but yes, Russia started the war. Russia is also not friendly to US interests, nor is China.
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Narrative 2: “Sanctions Are Destroying Europe, Not Russia”
It's destroying both, but Europe mainly because they are cutting their own balls off through green shite plus migration.
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Narrative 3: “Europe’s Self-Destruction Is Inevitable”
Nothing is inevitable, but European leaders want degrowth.
quote:Don't care Not my People, Europeans can fight their own leadership, fck em both.
Narrative 4: “Ukrainian Aid Is Theft From European Taxpayers”
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Narrative 5: “Ukrainians as Europe’s Enemy Within”
Bunch of anti American bytches.
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Narrative 6: “America Broken, the West Finished”
Yawn.
Sounds like what Liberals say every day.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:14 pm to LLeD
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You Americans, are too naive people.
You just made it obvious you dislike us.
GFYS,
Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:21 pm to LLeD
appreciate it. As I mentioned, Americans sometimes miss that people living closer to Russia or with historical memory of Soviet/Russian domination often hear these conversations very differently than we do.
At the same time, a lot of Americans have become reflexively skeptical of anything that arrives packaged in the familiar “approved Western discourse” tone because they associate it with years of oversimplification, narrative management, and failed certainty about all kinds of things unrelated to Russia.
So part of the challenge now is figuring out how to talk seriously about Russian aggression and information warfare without sounding like a State dept intern or cable-news script. That’s harder than people think.
At the same time, a lot of Americans have become reflexively skeptical of anything that arrives packaged in the familiar “approved Western discourse” tone because they associate it with years of oversimplification, narrative management, and failed certainty about all kinds of things unrelated to Russia.
So part of the challenge now is figuring out how to talk seriously about Russian aggression and information warfare without sounding like a State dept intern or cable-news script. That’s harder than people think.
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:22 pm to Narax
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:31 pm to LLeD
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Not at all.
Yes you obviously do.
You are Ukrainian right?
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Only British start slowly understand; that the right wing completely infiltrated and leaders are bribed!
Or something not American.
You come here with intense disrespect to propagandize us without stating who you are.
That's low and disrespectful.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:33 pm to TigerDoc
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 5:35 pm to LLeD
Trying to save you some trouble I learned the hard way. 
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