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re: Ruby Ridge? Did the US Government Do the Right Thing?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:31 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:31 am to RollTide1987
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I watched the documentary titled Oklahoma City on Netflix the other day. I knew what had happened at Waco but only had ever heard of Ruby Ridge. When the documentary delved into the story I couldn't believe how complicit the government was with the death of Weaver's family. Truly sickening. Weaver may have been a racist POS but he was entrapped into breaking the law by federal law enforcement. All he wanted to do was be left alone. The government ended up killing his wife and his teenage son. Despicable.
And that account of Ruby Ridge was an extremely sanitized version of what actually went on. Massive frick up by the government.
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:33 am to Ace Midnight
We'll have to agree to disagree.
In hindsight, the government murdering a man's wife and child after manufacturing criminal offenses as the means to commit those crimes, should have prevented those exact things from happening on a grand scale.
IMO, just as Bush has to be completely responsible for RR, Clinton is completely responsible for Waco. There is absolutely nothing anyone from the Bush administration could have done to stop the murders at Waco.
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In hindsight, clearly Ruby Ridge was going to lead to a Waco.
In hindsight, the government murdering a man's wife and child after manufacturing criminal offenses as the means to commit those crimes, should have prevented those exact things from happening on a grand scale.
IMO, just as Bush has to be completely responsible for RR, Clinton is completely responsible for Waco. There is absolutely nothing anyone from the Bush administration could have done to stop the murders at Waco.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:37 am to Ace Midnight
Ruby Ridge was a disgrace, & the ROE were terrible. Shooter should have been fired. Was later promoted.
What ever happen to the cowboy attorney who represented the family for damages
What ever happen to the cowboy attorney who represented the family for damages
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:46 am to troyt37
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There is absolutely nothing anyone from the Bush administration could have done to stop the murders at Waco.
Except stop the ATF from doing what led to Ruby Ridge?
I mean, I want to agree with you, but you seem tone deaf on this issue. The Waco raid happened 39 days after Clinton was inaugurated. Stuart Gerson was acting AG, as Reno wasn't confirmed until March 11th.
The investigation and preparation for the raid was mostly in 1992, all of that under Bush and Bush appointees.
You agree they were in charge when Ruby Ridge happened. I must assume you agree they did nothing to alter the course of the ATF (and FBI). I argue that guaranteed something like Waco was going to happen.
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
I guess so.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 8:55 am to BOSCEAUX
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You are the king of apples and oranges.
He's all fruit, no vegetables.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:08 am to Ace Midnight
There was something like a 50 day standoff in Waco. Clinton/Reno could have decided not to murder all those folks at any time.
Ruby Ridge was hardly even a blip on the screen. The murders the government committed there wasn't common knowledge to the public until well after the Waco slaughter.
Ruby Ridge was hardly even a blip on the screen. The murders the government committed there wasn't common knowledge to the public until well after the Waco slaughter.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:08 am to montanagator
quote:Do you honestly bring any value added to this board? Seriously? What would it take for you to make one critical comment about someone from the Left?
montanagator
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:13 am to Manzielathon
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Both sides are fricked up.
Pretty much, but I think the Feds screwed up way worse.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:26 am to Wolfhound45
I liked your reply so much I started a thread about it. Truly hoping for some honest discourse. Wish me luck...
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:34 am to PurpleandGold Motown
The barrel was only 1/4" shorter than legal.
The government paid them $3.1 million.
There ya go.
The government paid them $3.1 million.
There ya go.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:37 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Excellent points. The key elements of the investigation and mission preparation began under GW. Execution under Clinton. They both have ownership (much like Restore Hope).
Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:38 am to cajunangelle
You are going to get a lot of Conservatives replying. And little else. I will give (grudging) credit to Liberals, they circle the wagons well. Very Orwellian of them.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:46 am to Wolfhound45
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Do you honestly bring any value added to this board? Seriously? What would it take for you to make one critical comment about someone from the Left?
There are a handful of posters (on various points of the political ideology spectrum) who really do nothing but shite on this board. montanagator is one of them.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:54 am to Scoop
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The barrel was only 1/4" shorter than legal.
And the government informant marked where he wanted it cut - classic entrapment. Now, they didn't really want to pursue Weaver - they wanted him to act as informant against his white supremacist buddies (see what I mean about "not a saint"?), but that doesn't excuse the authorities' misconduct.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:56 am to Wolfhound45
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You are going to get a lot of Conservatives replying. And little else. I will give (grudging) credit to Liberals, they circle the wagons well. Very Orwellian of them.
This shouldn't be a liberal/conservative issue - it should be a libertarian/statist issue. There used to be libertarian leaning liberals (in the Bill Maher mode). There are tons of libertarian leaning conservatives. That's one of the reasons I brought up that the statists H.W. and Bill Clinton were actually of different parties, and nominally "conservative" and "liberal" (although both claimed moderate status when it suited them), respectively.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:21 am to tylercsbn9
The pbs ruby ridge doc is on Netflix btw
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:57 pm to Ace Midnight
Yeah and they killed his wife and son over something that is basically just lawyer crap considering you can legally buy THIS today.
Remington TAC-14
Remington TAC-14
Posted on 4/28/17 at 4:59 pm to GetCocky11
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Weaver failed to appear, so the Marshals had a right to go get him
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Weaver failed to appear, so the Marshals had a right to go get him
Weaver failed to appear because he was given an incorrect court date, whether accidentally or not. He thought he had another month before his court appearance.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:01 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Waco and Ruby Ridge, brought to you by Bubba Clinton.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 6:15 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
AKA you just watched the Oklahoma City documentary on Netflix.
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