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re: Rolling Stone is skeptical of Whistleblower: "The ‘Whistleblower’ Probably Isn’t"

Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:12 am to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26944 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:12 am to
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The article paints a very bleak picture of our intelligence agencies.
I’m always told by people like Hannity and Bongino that most of the rank and file are good folks. But if they are part of all these nefarious schemes and now are silent, how can they be?



I don't trust anything about the CIA, period.

As for the FBI, I'm open to the notion that people out in the field offices may be decent, honest types. I seriously doubt that applies to FBI employees inside the beltway.
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
5912 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:19 am to
It's Matt Taibbi and they're not firing him.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:31 am to
Matt Taibbi is doing something clever in that article.

I don’t even know if he hates Trump if you read it closely.

The whole thing is a concession assertion argument.

He concedes that Trump is a (fill in the blank) which makes his article palatable to his readers. But then he’ll argue that whatever the establishment is doing is much worse.

Taibbi is the kind of person the Democratic part has left behind. He’s always hated the establishment and is probably uncomfortable with the way the Democrats have become to the party of the rich and powerful.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 8:40 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101471 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 8:59 am to
Here's based Matt Taibbi with based Jimmy Dore on why everybody hates the lugenpresse

LINK
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101471 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:01 am to
Taibbi is occupying the space that Bill Maher should have occupied IMO. Bill is too old and lazy to put up a real fight anymore. Its unique real estate to be on - a leftist who agrees with Trump about the deep state and CIA corruption
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
31829 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:08 am to
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Matt Taibbi is doing something clever in that article.

I don’t even know if he hates Trump if you read it closely.



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Trump almost certainly is not going to do that, however, as the man is too dumb to realize he’s the titular commander of an executive branch that has been jailing people for talking too much for over a decade. On the off chance that he does try it, don’t hold your breath waiting for news networks to tell you he’s just following an established pattern.


I have a lot of qualms about impeachment/“Ukrainegate,” beginning with this headline premise of the lone, conscience-stricken defender of democracy arrayed against the mighty Trump.

I don’t see it. Donald Trump is a jackass who got elected basically by accident, campaigning against a political establishment too blind to its own unpopularity to see what was coming.

In 2016 we saw a pair of electoral revolts, one on the right and one on the left, against the cratering popularity of our political elite. The rightist populist revolt succeeded, the Sanders movement did not. Ukrainegate to me looks like a continuation of Russiagate, which was a reaction of that defeated political elite to the rightists. I don’t feel solidarity with either group. The argument that’s supposed to be galvanizing everyone right now is the idea that we need to “stand up and be counted,” because failing to rally to the cause is effectively advocacy for Trump.

This line of thinking is based on the presumption that Trump is clearly worse than the people opposing him. That might prove to be true, but if we’re talking about the treatment of whistleblowers, Trump has a long way to go before he approaches the brutal record of the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, as well as the cheerleading Washington political establishment. Forgetting this is likely just the first in what will prove to be many deceptions about a hardcore insider political battle whose subtext is a lot more shadowy and ambiguous than news audiences are being led to believe.



nah.

i did like that section though. he's basically saying i hate that stupid OMB, but he's not done anything as bad as Obama led intelligence agencies did.
Posted by MasonTiger
Mason, Ohio
Member since Jan 2005
18482 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:23 am to
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Rolling Stone is skeptical of Whistleblower

Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4531 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:29 am to
The reason the press reported this individual as a whistle blower, rather than toeing the standard IC protocol of calling them traitors, spies, leakers, etc is because this is a coordinated op. In previous whistle blower cases where negative things were revealed about the CIA, FBI etc, the IC rushed to their contacts in the media to coordinate smears. In this case, the IC is rather blatantly coordinating with their media to promote a different narrative.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36005 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:50 am to
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This doesn't make him not a whistleblower.



If there are multiple people involved this is not a "whistle blower" thing.....it's a set up....especially reading the "complaint" they were busy trying to create something out of nothing starting in February because the IC KNEW that the Mueller Report was going to be a dud.

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It also has no bearing whatsoever on whether Trump acted corruptly or not.


Just because a bunch of partisan types mounting a PR campaign in an aggressive manner does not make what the President did corrupt....unseemly maybe, but not corrupt. You may want to read the law and understand process. As POTUS doing official POTUS things in the White House Trump can do exactly what he did..... I don't know why people don't understand this
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74394 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:52 am to
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This doesn't make him not a whistleblower.


It makes him a rumor monger.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36005 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 9:55 am to
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is because this is a coordinated op


Yep. read the "complaint" watch the extent to which the IC is trying to hide the identity of the operative.....behind a screen, voice distorted. Even if Trump had done something inappropriate what the IC is doing with the help of House Democrats IS sedition.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 10/8/19 at 10:04 am to
A concession assertion argument is when you concede a point, but then tell the reader why it doesn’t matter.

It’s a persuasion technique when you’re dealing with an audience that is hostile to the point you want to make.
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