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re: Rogan and Shapiro agree: get government out of marriage
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:05 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:05 pm to ShortyRob
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Are you under the impression that if you father 3 children with your live in girlfriend that she can't go to court for child support if you dump her?
And what about her earnings and career sacrifice that she gave up to be a stay at home mom? Will she be compensated for that at all in your example?
Research shows on average children from stable two parent households are better off in the long run. The government has long been in the game of honoring/recognizing an institution that is at the heart of our society.
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Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:06 pm to Nguyener
quote:Ok, I’m not gonna read the rest of that post.
Wrong. "life" or: security and protection of yourself, your life, and your home are rights expressed in the constitution as well as fundamental human rights.
The government does not give me the right to life, nor does it give me the right to marry. It protects both. You made a silly argument, and you’re only making it sillier.
This does not surprise me. When I made a facetious comment a while ago that “Liberals are the bad people, and conservatives are the good people,” you agreed wholeheartedly and unironically, so I never enter a discussion with you expecting anything all that great to happen.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Marriage licenses create presumptions that help alleviate such things.
A private contract can accomplish the same goal with a government run bureaucracy behind it.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:07 pm to CivilTiger83
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And what about her earnings and career sacrifice that she gave up to be a stay at home mom? Will she be compensated for that at all in your example?
How do you know she was a stay at home mom?
I haven't read the thread, but you can't assume moms are always stay at home moms.
Mine wife went back to work when my son was 2 months old.
frick this conversation.. I'm heading to the golf course on this beautiful day and drinking good beer and smoking good weed.
Enjoy the rest of your Thursday, fellas.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:08 pm to DelU249
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Then what about the current situation is a problem?
I want government out of more aspects of life than in it.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:08 pm to Toroballistic
quote:Not what we’re talking about.
So Muslims aren't civilized since Islam allows a man to have 4 wives.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:08 pm to xiv
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Homo sapiens would not be civilized if not for enforced monogamy.
Boy you are getting dangerously close to calling inner-city communities and fatherless children uncivilized sub-humans. Do you realize that?
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:09 pm to Nguyener
quote:You’re the one who typed it.
Boy you add getting dangerously close to calling inner-city communities and fatherless children uncivilized sub-humans. Do you realize that?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:10 pm to Nguyener
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A private contract can accomplish the same goal with a government run bureaucracy behind it.
Sure, but civilized society had settled on a pretty decent standardized one that worked for most of it for as long as anyone could remember. It seems like you want to create a solution in search of a problem, which I would assert would, for the vast majority of people become as standardized (and basically indistinguishable) from what we have now.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:11 pm to xiv
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If you do liberty
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If you do liberty
You said this twice, so I know it's not a type-o. How exactly do you "do liberty"? What does that mean?
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:11 pm to Nguyener
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The stay at home mom has two options: before having children, she could enter into a private contract with the man that guarantees her certain rights which all people should be able to do regardless or sexual orientation (yes this is very simalir to marriage however it should be a private contract between the two people not a government run bureaucracy) or sue the father for child support.
You are not married are you? How many of those contracts would be enforceable? How stable do you think one of these relationships will be if at every turn you have to treat that person like they are a business transaction also known as a whore.
Saying that people should enter in a contract like marriage, but don't call it marriage and then have the government enforce that contract that is just like marriage is a distinction without a difference.
The marriage laws protect the weaker parties which may be the man or the woman depending on the situation. You would like to render that institutional protection because why?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:13 pm to CivilTiger83
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And what about her earnings and career sacrifice that she gave up to be a stay at home mom?
She freely chose to do that. Why should the government be involved there?
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:14 pm to i am dan
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How do you know she was a stay at home mom?
It was a made up hypothetical... enjoy the time on the course.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:14 pm to i am dan
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I'm heading to the golf course on this beautiful day
I assume you don't live in south Louisiana
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:15 pm to xiv
Here we go africkingin. This LGBTQ...XYZ marriage BS was unnecessary from the get go. Homosexuals could have have had every right that a married couple has decades ago if they would have approached it from a strictly legal standpoint of equality. You know damn well the traditional meaning of the word marriage has it's roots squarely in the religious realm and was without exception between and man and woman.
All homosexual/trans people had to do was take their concerns for a legal contract between consenting adults to the judiciary system with a name other than marriage and this BS about marriage equality would have been avoided. But let"s be honest, it was never really about a legal contract between consenting adults that provided all the legal rights traditional marriage provided, it was about the forced normalization of a lifestyle so certain folks could feel better about themselves.
All homosexual/trans people had to do was take their concerns for a legal contract between consenting adults to the judiciary system with a name other than marriage and this BS about marriage equality would have been avoided. But let"s be honest, it was never really about a legal contract between consenting adults that provided all the legal rights traditional marriage provided, it was about the forced normalization of a lifestyle so certain folks could feel better about themselves.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:16 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Sure, but civilized society had settled on a pretty decent standardized one that worked for most of it for as long as anyone could remember.
I can say with absolute confidence that anyone who thinks our current state of marriage and divorce system in this country is a fair and well working process has never spent a day working in a family court or divorce settlement firm.
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:17 pm to Nguyener
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She freely chose to do that. Why should the government be involved there?
So she should receive nothing to compensate for her care of the children that he otherwise would have had to pay for?
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:17 pm to Nguyener
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 4/4/19 at 2:19 pm to Nguyener
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I can say with absolute confidence that anyone who thinks our current state of marriage and divorce system in this country is a fair and well working process has never spent a day working in a family court or divorce settlement firm.
I saw this reply coming, but it is not pertinent really to your underlying point, and in many ways only reinforces what I'm getting at.
If you think what we have now creates issues, what do you think it's going to be when a court has to interpret specific contract language in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE regarding familial unions.
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