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Rittenhouse Charges..and lessers coming
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:00 am
Lessers are coming on the three homicide charges (not others). As long as the lesser doesn’t require additional facts than current charges ..they can add lessers which give jury more options (generally just less time in jail).
The instructions to the jury on what the variations are will be huge. Intentional vs unintentional, reckless versus not, self defense, etc.
2nd degree vs 1st degree -they don’t believe they can show Kyle acted without disregard for human life is main difference.
Unintentional vs intentional - On Huber
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Rosenbaum (pedo)
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON Rosenbaum (pedo)
FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Huber (skateboard guy)
ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Grosskreutz (lefty)
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Unknown leaping man
POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18 (Misdemeanor)
Current charges
The instructions to the jury on what the variations are will be huge. Intentional vs unintentional, reckless versus not, self defense, etc.
2nd degree vs 1st degree -they don’t believe they can show Kyle acted without disregard for human life is main difference.
Unintentional vs intentional - On Huber
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESS HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Rosenbaum (pedo)
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON Rosenbaum (pedo)
FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Huber (skateboard guy)
ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Grosskreutz (lefty)
FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON - Unknown leaping man
POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18 (Misdemeanor)
Current charges
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:01 am to RealDawg
They’ll be happy to get him with 1 misdemeanor.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:05 am to RealDawg
I didn't think prosecutors could add charges like that after the trial began.
Honestly, this makes the DA look like a sore loser. Kyle is NOT guilty. Video shows it.
Honestly, this makes the DA look like a sore loser. Kyle is NOT guilty. Video shows it.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:06 am to RealDawg
I asked this question before and never really got an answer. Let's take the shooting of the pedo. He fired 4 shots in 3/4 of a second. How is he supposed to look around and make sure no one else is in danger? Also, if there is someone around that may be in danger is he supposed to not shoot and let the aggressor kill him?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:06 am to RealDawg
Every one of those charges would be bogus.
The kid fired his weapon ONLY when he was in danger from the three people he shot.
Anything other than not guilty regarding the shootings will be a travesty.
The kid fired his weapon ONLY when he was in danger from the three people he shot.
Anything other than not guilty regarding the shootings will be a travesty.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:07 am to RealDawg
really surprised they're not going after the straw purchase.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:07 am to RealDawg
Lesser charges shouldn't be allowed past a certain point in the trial imo. Waiting until the last day to file them is chickenshit. "Since we can't kill the dog then we'll cut off one of his legs just to inflict some pain to make him uncomfortable".
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:07 am to finchmeister08
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really surprised they're not going after the straw purchase.
Dominic Black is being charged for that.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:11 am to Homesick Tiger
Question for criminal lawyers: Procedurally, it would seem that lesser included charges would have to be identified and asserted prior to the defense moving for a directed verdict. Is the defense required to wait until after those charges are identified and locked in before making a motion? (If not, seems you'd have a better chance at a directed verdict before the initial charges are reduced.) Just curious.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:12 am to RealDawg
Every charge and every lesser gets addressed independently.
The jury could have 8-10 charges to review and have to understand the burden on all of them …then look at the evidence.
The jury could have 8-10 charges to review and have to understand the burden on all of them …then look at the evidence.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:14 am to RealDawg
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Rittenhouse Charges..and lessers coming
I'm confused as to how one could put up an affirmative defense (if one wanted to) for a charge that didn't exist.
The facts would be different for each of the charges.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:14 am to RealDawg
Guilty of being white.
Guilty of self-defense.
Guilty of being attacked.
Guilty of not being a liberal.
Those are what he is really being tried for.
Guilty of self-defense.
Guilty of being attacked.
Guilty of not being a liberal.
Those are what he is really being tried for.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:18 am to TDTOM
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He fired 4 shots in 3/4 of a second.
Must have missed this. 4 shots on the first guy?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:21 am to Herooftheday
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Must have missed this. 4 shots on the first guy?
Yes. The whole video is compelling. Its clear as day Kyle was defending himself, but the media has been LYING (not shocked).
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:21 am to RealDawg
Doesn't a reckless misdemeanor mean he can't use self defense as an excuse? I thought I read somewhere that there's a lesser charge that could f him over
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:22 am to RealDawg
Hopefully the jury calls them on their bullshite amd not guilt on all
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:22 am to RealDawg
quote:
Every charge and every lesser gets addressed independently.
The jury could have 8-10 charges to review and have to understand the burden on all of them
But how does a defendant get to defend himself against said charges when filed at the last minute?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:22 am to Big Gorilla
Dang ok. Like 3 in the chest once in the noggin? I'll have to go back and see that part
Posted on 11/12/21 at 9:23 am to SelaTiger
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They’ll be happy to get him with 1 misdemeanor.
He drove without a license. He's clearly a terrorist.
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