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re: Rise of Fentanyl Deaths in US
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:26 pm to Ebbandflow
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:26 pm to Ebbandflow
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And guess what? It's even made in the US. It's only you guys had that same watchful eye on the pharmaceutical industry in the United States
I'd be willing to bet that a very small percentage of illicit fentanyl use is from domestically produced sources
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Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:26 pm to upgrayedd
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Doesn't most of it come in from China?
I think most of it comes from China and is shipped into Mexico. About 2 years ago you or I could order it online in China.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:27 pm to 14&Counting
It's not even that, it's cheap and plentiful and manufacturers of street drugs or synthetics will cut their product with it to maximize profit. It's extremely dangerous. It also makes you realize how utterly irresponsible and immoral it is for states to try and criminalize natural alternatives like kratom, which people can take safely and purchase over the counter.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:27 pm to Ebbandflow
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That's about having enough border agents. That isn't political football either since the Democrats are totally for that and have been for a long time.
So why are Democrats opposed to putting up even 1 foot of new wall?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:28 pm to TimeOutdoors
Fentanyl is bad enough, but Carfentanil is also starting to be used with heroin. Carfentanil is 5,000-10,000 times more potent than morphine (I've seen different estimates) and 100 times more potent than fentanyl. It's essentially elephant tranquilizer and is what killed the brother of the Muslim shooter in Toronto last year. They had 42 kilos of it, likely to use in terrorist attacks. The Russians used a mist form of it in 2002 to end a hostage situation, killing everyone including the hostages.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:29 pm to upgrayedd
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So why are Democrats opposed to putting up even 1 foot of new wall?
They argue that Fentanyl is coming through at border crossings/ ports of entry. Cartels need to bring it in through vehicles.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:30 pm to TOKEN
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How many recreational users or addicts are going to do the research on Fentanyl when they think it’s like all the other opioids they have experimented with?
Isn't fentanyl the reason or assumed reason Prince and Tom Petty died? Those were pretty high profile deaths.
I don't really mean to sound like an uncaring bitch but if you mess with the bull, it's possible you're gonna get the horns.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:31 pm to TOKEN
You can't say you're all for border security then say walls are immoral. They're two conflicting ideas
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:33 pm to PsychTiger
Carfentanil is the scariest because as you mentioned it’s being laced into heroine batches. This stuff isn’t hard to make and by the look of things is pretty cheap.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:33 pm to fallguy_1978
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I'm admittedly pretty uninformed on this topic but what is fentanyl? Is it a form of synthetic heroin?
Yes.
It's used in general surgery. It's 100 times stronger than morphine. A small amount goes a long way. People just make a simple mistake by using too much because they think they are using regular heroin. They go to sleep and never wake up. Respiratory failure.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:34 pm to upgrayedd
Yeah, it does. We’re just putting this on the Mexican Cartels atm bc we want that wall built.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:35 pm to TOKEN
This is what happens when you make it illegal for doctors to prescribe safe healthy drugs like OxyContin and people have to turn to dangerous illegal drugs like marijuana and fentanyl
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:36 pm to TOKEN
When the crack epidemic was at it's peak, the response was users are scum and jailing is the appropriate action.
Fast forward to this Opiod epidemic, and the response is users are victims and mental health facilities need to be expanded to care for them.
Fast forward to this Opiod epidemic, and the response is users are victims and mental health facilities need to be expanded to care for them.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:38 pm to GumboPot
quote:Simple mistake? With all that's been said and written about Fentanyl, not sure how anyone could assume it's the same as heroin. I would imagine most elicit drugs vary in strength because of who is preparing them. But a slight variation in strength in heroin is pretty substantial, varying strengths of fentanyl are lethal.
People just make a simple mistake by using too much because they think they are using regular heroin. They go to sleep and never wake up. Respiratory failure.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:40 pm to upgrayedd
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You can't say you're all for border security then say walls are immoral. They're two conflicting ideas
It’s not me making the argument but I think you want to create fence/wall/barrier or whatever the frick you want to call it around ports of entry specifically. The idea should be to funnel all vehicles into these ports. Vehicle crossings should be top priority in the ports and out imo. Barriers help in that department and I don’t think anyone can argue that. Because ports aren’t the only places you can cross with vehicle and Dems need to wake up on that point.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:42 pm to ATrillionaire
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Fast forward to this Opiod epidemic, and the response is users are victims and mental health facilities need to be expanded to care for them.
Where? I see people pointing out these folks won the Darwin award.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:43 pm to ATrillionaire
So you'd prefer that we go back to a failed tactic at combating the problem?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:44 pm to Tigertracks
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Many liberals are in favor of legalizing all recreational drug activity. For them this is not a problem, just a tolerable side effect.
You realize fentanyl is a legal drug right?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:44 pm to TOKEN
I was speaking in general, not to you specifically
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