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re: Righties - if you had a choice between minimum wage and unions
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:50 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:50 pm to SpidermanTUba
Not a righty but Unions are outdated and not needed anymore. Given a choice, look how many opted out!
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:54 pm to gatorrocks
quote:That's why fatboy needs the constitutional amendment, even he knows unions are a dying.
Not a righty but Unions are outdated and not needed anymore. Given a choice, look how many opted out!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:56 pm to gatorrocks
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Not a righty but Unions are outdated and not needed anymore. Given a choice, look how many opted out!
Then why have legislation that forbids consenting adults from entering into certain contracts with each other? You know that's what "right to work" laws do, right?
It's possibly the only time in the past 15 years that I've heard of establishment Republicans wanting government to intervene and "protect" workers from something.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:56 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Well no shite, Sherlock. The states have been busy passing laws to ensure this over the past several decades
And?
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It doesn't. That's the problem with your argument
Please explain to me how forcing a business to pay more for the same labor doesn't either cause them to increase prices, or cut labor. I'll wait
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That isn't what minimum wage laws are designed to do (and your statement is false).
You're right, they're not. They're supposedly designed to pay minimum wage workers enough to make a "living wage", which will only inflate the money the rest of us make doing things that a twelve year old can do.
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McDonald's is a small business?
Who knew.
You do realize that they're all privately owned franchises? That someone still needs to balance labor and business costs with everything coming in the door? That increasing labor costs will result in increased prices or a decrease in labor costs through cuts or automation?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:58 pm to gatorrocks
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Not a righty but Unions are outdated and not needed anymore.
If you passed a law stating the customers of _______ didn't have to pay if they didn't want to - _______ would also become "outdated and not needed anymore".
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Given a choice, look how many opted out!
What choice? RTW laws RESTRICT choice. The worker has always been free to choose NOT to work at a union shop.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:59 pm to SpidermanTUba
i'd probably take the min wage b/c it would be less destructive and avoid seeing detroit over and over again
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'd probably take the min wage b/c it would be less destructive and avoid seeing detroit over and over again
Because it was the unions that decided to sell gas guzzlers in the faces of increasing oil cost. 
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:00 am to SpidermanTUba
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Fill in the blank with whatever you like
SpidermanTuba is a fat_______________idiot
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 am to SpidermanTUba
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If you passed a law stating the customers of _______ didn't have to pay if they didn't want to - _______ would also become "outdated and not needed anymore".
I guess somewhere inside your head you thought that made sense. it doesn't at all, though.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 am to SpidermanTUba
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Perhaps have a maximum it can go up in a year, (5%?) and prevent it from ever going down
how does that make sense?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 am to SpidermanTUba
RTW rocks. The same guy has the option of being extorted by a union or not.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:03 am to Doosh606
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(and your statement is false).
This is my favorite one by the way. Sure you can create jobs through legislation... By doling out money through government handouts and creating multitudes of bureaucracy by paying people to do what a work force a quarter of their size does in the private sector. Show me anything run by the government that doesn't cost twice what a private entity spends.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:03 am to SpidermanTUba
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Because it was the unions that decided to sell gas guzzlers in the faces of increasing oil cost.
the bloated union salaries and benefits made it difficult to adjust to bad decision making, creating a death spiral
unions theoretically work if there is never a recession (hell even your desires on min wage reflect this mythology). it's like a microcosm of how keneysian economics don't work in reality. california's hubris in 2007-2008 and how it gave in to public unions, and how that is bankrupting towns across california, is a great example.
unions destroy flexibility to adjust to decline, and unions as an entity pretty much refuse to deal and reflect reality
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:06 am to SpidermanTUba
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What choice? RTW laws RESTRICT choice. The worker has always been free to choose NOT to work at a union shop.
This confuses me. So the worker can choose a different place to work because they aren't pleased with a company's union policy, but they can't choose a different place to work because they aren't happy with the birth-control restrictions of a private company's religious affiliation.
Which one is it?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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how does that make sense?
I'm confused.
Do you need me to explain how cutting the minimum wage in the face of deflation can further exponentiate the deflation?
What don't you get?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:07 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:08 am to SpidermanTUba
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What don't you get?
why minimum wage would be restricted from facing market forces (like all other salaries)
sometimes, salaries need to decrease
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:10 am to SpidermanTUba
I'm confused.
Do you need me to explain how raising the minimum wage in the face of inflation can further exponentiate the inflation?
What don't you get?
Do you need me to explain how raising the minimum wage in the face of inflation can further exponentiate the inflation?
What don't you get?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:24 am to SpidermanTUba
So you are asking me to either destroy state rights and freedom or destroy state rights and freedom.....
Can I abstain?
Can I abstain?
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:25 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:32 am to SpidermanTUba
I choose socialism, how 'bout you? Be honest.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:10 am to SpidermanTUba
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A union is a better instrument to represent the interests of the worker than the government
Agreed. But, there is an even better instrument than those two... the individual.
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