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re: Riddle Me This Pro-Lifers
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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that depends on how you define "privilege" i doubt you checked every box against me, just like i won't check every box against "average poor person" "privilege" is a malleable concept...too malleable to be taken seriously
I moved a few times as a young white person, from Florida to NC, back to Florida, to VA, to Cal and then to AL. I can assure you there is no “white persons club” where you just show up and all the bounty of privilege is made available. I was still an outsider, untrusted and susceptible to being culled from the herd.
And I was fairly intelligent and highly attractive. This notion of “Team White” is a complete fantasy. Sure there are some advantages of being white in a population that is majority white but there are some advantages to being from any race...and disadvantages. People that would assume the “white advantages” are somehow preferable, IMHO, are the racist ones.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:32 am to jptiger2009
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unfortunately, you're wrong. way wrong. Sex is a great part of life that many American Christians grow up thinking is nasty or wrong. yeah, hormone-raging teens were taught to get married before you can frick. That's the "safe way".
Life is replete with situations in which our biological compulsion leads to unforeseen detriment if not held in check. Not sure why you think sex is somehow immune to this dynamic. Eating candy is fun, going fast on a motorcycle is fun, drugs are fun. You are driven to reproduce and that doesn’t always jive with the drive to be a successful, self reliant human. Parents and adults should give kids the tools to understand their humanity and realize the inherent risks with their behaviors.
And if you think sex is fun when you are single (which it is, can’t disagree) then you are in for a reL treat when you get married and can really express your wants and provide that same fulfillment return.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:33 am to ZweiBierBitte
It’s an innocent being that has a beating heart, and can feel the pain placed upon it by the “removal” of its existence from the womb.
With your reasoning, being that the fetus is only alive because of its host, and that because of the fetus’s existence solely being tied to the host and cannot live without said host that the fetus is essentially a parasite, then I assume that you’d be ok with cutting all government aid programs and allowing the true parasitic leeches that leech from the government to die off as well.
With your reasoning, being that the fetus is only alive because of its host, and that because of the fetus’s existence solely being tied to the host and cannot live without said host that the fetus is essentially a parasite, then I assume that you’d be ok with cutting all government aid programs and allowing the true parasitic leeches that leech from the government to die off as well.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:35 am to ZweiBierBitte
You are a sick human being. That's all I'm going to say to you.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:35 am to ZweiBierBitte
652,639 abortions in 2014 and the trend is going down.
Based on that number, how many of those pregnancies and abortions involved men and women that did not know that coitus could result in a pregnancy?
My guess is 0. What is yours?
Nature teaches this, regardless of education or income.
Don't you agree?
Based on that number, how many of those pregnancies and abortions involved men and women that did not know that coitus could result in a pregnancy?
My guess is 0. What is yours?
Nature teaches this, regardless of education or income.
Don't you agree?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:40 am to ngadawg250
They know that. This is nothing more than another attempt by the left to remove consequences for their actions. No logic can be applied here. They are a lost cause.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:56 am to Revelator
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The role of the Church is to preach the gospel, help the poor, etc. It has never been to teach kids about sex education.
And yet many denominations and Christian organizations spend a great deal of time and effort teaching (and lobbying for) abstinence only sex education.
If they are going to venture into that realm, then they are fair game IMO.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:40 am to Roger Klarvin
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And yet many denominations and Christian organizations spend a great deal of time and effort teaching (and lobbying for) abstinence only sex education.
Preaching about abstaining from sex before marriage is scriptural. Teaching kids how to have sexual relationships outside of marriage is not. How can you endite the church for doing its duty?
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:51 am to Roger Klarvin
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And yet many denominations and Christian organizations spend a great deal of time and effort teaching (and lobbying for) abstinence only sex education.
If they are going to venture into that realm, then they are fair game IMO.
Umm... what?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:15 am to ZweiBierBitte
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If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is, why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Because the church also considers premarital sex as a sin. It would seem rather hypocritical for the church to say, "Don't have premarital sex, but just in case you do....."
quote:When did birth control become unaffordable? You can buy a condom for 33 cents a piece off ebay (Trojan), and you can get them free from clinics.
unaffordable birth control
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And if you're of the belief that it isn't yours or the government's responsibility to pay for such things, then I doubt you sincerely believe that abortion is the scourge of America and that babies are being slaughtered.
Question. Do you think war is good and moral? Why don't you do more to stop it? How about water boarding? We can go down a long list of stuff and ask those same questions to you, and ask why you have done nothing but cast a vote to stop them. (Assuming you vote)
I would say if water boarding and war are the scourge most leftist claim they are then you would not be paying your taxes to support them.
My guess is you're not going to like it when tough questions are turned on you.
A kid can buy a $100 pair of sneakers but can't afford 33 cent condom.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:19 am to ZweiBierBitte
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teenage pregnancies, and abortion rates are highest.
among what demographic?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 10:30 am to ZweiBierBitte
quote:My church teaches God's law and Christian morality based on God's moral character. That includes abstinence from premarital and extramarital sex.
If you truly believe that the termination of an unwanted pregnancy is murder and the heinous sin that your faith tells you it is, why are your churches and pro-life groups not doing more to promote sex education and contraception?
Members also vote for candidates and initiatives that follow our biblical worldview in regards to sex education when possible.
quote:You act as if education and available contraception (or lack thereof) alone are reasons for pregnancies and abortions. It's the same sort of talking point the left uses for gun control. You are removing the responsibility of the people having sex (or their parents, if they are teens) and placing it on those who are providing an education or access to BC.
Access to education and modern contraception reduces abortions. On the other hand, abstinence only education and unaffordable birth control leads to more unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Period. There's no debate.
The problem with abstinence-only sex education is not abstinence-only sex education, but the lack of safeguards parents are placing on their kids. Telling a drunk not to drink any alcohol and then dropping them off at a bar is asking for trouble. Same with allowing teens to date or to hang out alone with girls and boys without supervision. They trust their kids not to fall into temptation while allowing them to be tempted and hoping they will do the right thing.
Abortion isn't relegated to teens, either. There are a lot of competent adults who just forego BC because they are in committed relationships, are using natural family planning techniques, or just don't want to or aren't thinking about it because they are lost in the moment. All the education in the world isn't going to stop some people from having unprotected sex.
Abortion on demand removes any responsibility from people to really think about what they are doing. If there aren't any real consequences, why should they worry about a pregnancy? It's murder that is used as a safety net because our society doesn't treat it like murder. It's treated like flushing a condom down the toilet.
quote:These two things are not mutually exclusive.
And if you're of the belief that it isn't yours or the government's responsibility to pay for such things, then I doubt you sincerely believe that abortion is the scourge of America and that babies are being slaughtered.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:07 am to ZweiBierBitte
OP should have left the church out of it and focused on legislators.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:18 am to Gaspergou202
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When does a human life start and what is the significant event?
Bet you don’t answer
Development of the brain. Why would anyone get mad about someone scraping out a few useless cells?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:24 am to ZweiBierBitte
How expensive are rubbers these days?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:30 am to Revelator
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Preaching about abstaining from sex before marriage is scriptural. Teaching kids how to have sexual relationships outside of marriage is not. How can you endite the church for doing its duty?
Abstinence only sex education not only doesn't work (as shown by every large study ever conducted on the topic) but objectively results in more abortions, more STDs, more poor kids and more government subsidy for those kids.
It isn't about teaching kids how to have sex. It's fine to teach them that having sex before marriage is immoral, BUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SEX (and most will) its in everyone's best interest they know how to not get pregnant and transmit disease.
To ignore that is objectively harmful
Posted on 5/14/18 at 11:39 am to jptiger2009
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hormone-raging teens were taught to get married before you can frick. That's the "safe way".
It IS the safe way. Maybe not the most practical or realistic, but you can't really knock it from a safety standpoint.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:38 pm to lsu1919
8% of all Americans in the 80's equates to the entire GOP.
Only a small percentage of Catholics oppose BC
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:38 am to ZweiBierBitte
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1. Mass murder
2. Providing financial support (via the government or community groups) for something that isn't your direct responsibility
You can only pick one.
Go
Also
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1. Mass murder
2. Theft
You can only pick one.
Go
Fify
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:40 am
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