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Remember when Trump declassified all materials related to Russiagate?
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:13 am
Let’s go back in time shall we?
Fox News article from October 2020 LINK
Notice this little headline…
But is a tweet tantamount to declassification??? If fact, yes it is. Let me point you to another long forgotten legal battle. Remember when leftists sued Trump for blocking them on Twitter?
July 2019 LINK
Now, someone please explain to me how tweeting you’ve declassified all Russia Gate materials is not declassification, when the courts ruled the he used Twitter to conduct government business. Declassification is 100 percent government business.
Fox News article from October 2020 LINK
Notice this little headline…
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“I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!” The president tweeted Tuesday night
But is a tweet tantamount to declassification??? If fact, yes it is. Let me point you to another long forgotten legal battle. Remember when leftists sued Trump for blocking them on Twitter?
July 2019 LINK
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WASHINGTON — President Trump has been violating the Constitution by blocking people from following his Twitter account because they criticized or mocked him, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday
quote:
Because Mr. Trump uses Twitter to conduct government business, he cannot exclude some Americans from reading his posts
Now, someone please explain to me how tweeting you’ve declassified all Russia Gate materials is not declassification, when the courts ruled the he used Twitter to conduct government business. Declassification is 100 percent government business.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:24 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Good argument. Thanks for pointing it out.
Another overarching point is there is no constitutional process for the CIC to declassify other than the CIC just saying “it’s declassified”.
The deep state is trying to hold on to its power by creating a perceived ambiguity.
Another overarching point is there is no constitutional process for the CIC to declassify other than the CIC just saying “it’s declassified”.
The deep state is trying to hold on to its power by creating a perceived ambiguity.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:27 am to Blizzard of Chizz
The significance of this it that it ends the debate. Bill Barr’s dumbass can say whatever he wants, but the courts made it very clear Trump was conducting government business via Twitter. The moment he tweeted he declassified the material, it carried the weight of the office of the President.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:31 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Aubie you are very likely right, but the trouble is the Rule of Law means very little when it comes to the people we are dealing with.
The ends justify the means with them, Democrat Uber Alles.
The ends justify the means with them, Democrat Uber Alles.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:31 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Twitter banned him while President too. Does that mean they obstructed official Presidential business?
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:35 am to CC
Something they can be charged with when the White Hats get power and its take your own medicine time.
Kick a bunch of doors down at 5 am and drag off Twitter people in cuffs. No different than January 6th IMO those obstructionists have to pay.
Kick a bunch of doors down at 5 am and drag off Twitter people in cuffs. No different than January 6th IMO those obstructionists have to pay.
This post was edited on 9/3/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:38 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Interesting find but it looks like the statutes the DOJ is going to charge trump with do not hinge documents being classified. Even if he did declassify them, they're going to charge him with possessing government documents and obstruction.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:38 am to CC
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Twitter banned him while President too. Does that mean they obstructed official Presidential business?
You could probably make a case for it… in this case, the fervor to get Trump at any cost by Dems might actually turn out to be a huge victory for Trump in the long run.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:42 am to Blizzard of Chizz
He has an EO also so it doesn't even matter if he did it on Twitter.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:42 am to ChoadieMcSmalls
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Even if he did declassify them, they're going to charge him with possessing government documents and obstruction.
But again, the courts gave Presidents wide latitude to decide what is personal records. It’s pretty much their discretion.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 7:44 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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But is a tweet tantamount to declassification
You don't understand...xiden can undo all of trumps declassifications. They got him now!!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/3/22 at 8:25 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Well the video clip of him says it as well. Democrats just don’t believe their lying eyes
Posted on 9/3/22 at 8:48 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 9/2/22 at 10:19 am to Fun Bunch
Or they will dress up the FBI AGAIN like they did in Charlottesville
And again when the White Hats rule once again, we hit the whole lot involved in this mess with a Seditious Conspiracy charge. They are guilty as hell.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 8:53 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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But is a tweet tantamount to declassification??? If fact, yes it is.
Nah
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There is no basis to require the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) to reprocess over 4,000 pages of FD-302s from the Special Counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election by October 28. The President’s recent statements on Twitter referencing the “declassification” of information were not an order to the Department of Justice (the “Department” or “DOJ”) to declassify the materials in this case. Decl. of G. Bradley Weinsheimer ¶¶ 4–5 (Oct. 13, 2020). The Twitter statements do not constitute a self-executing declassification order. Id. ¶ 5. Indeed, they provide no more authority to the Department to declassify material that the Presidential Memorandum giving the Attorney General authority to declassify information that the President signed on May 23, 2019.1 See id. As with that memorandum, the President’s Twitter statements do not require the declassification of any particular documents and have not resulted in the declassification of any FD-302s at issue in this case. Id.
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Plaintiffs claim that the President exercised his authority to declassify all of the information withheld from the FD-302s under Exemption 1 based on two statements the President made on Twitter. See Pls.’ Mot. 2. But the Twitter statements “were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification of any particular documents.” Weinsheimer Decl. ¶ 5. Plaintiffs have pointed to no order declassifying the documents at issue in this case. See generally Pls.’ Mot. And DOJ is not aware of any order that either declassified the remaining documents at issue or directed declassification of them. Weinsheimer Decl. ¶ 4.
The Court cannot infer that any such sweeping order exists based on the President’s Twitter statements because they merely suggest that the President “authorized” the “declassification” of unspecified information. See Pls.’ Mot. Exh. A. The Twitter statements do not refer to any specific document and do not indicate that the President was exercising his Constitutional authority to declassify specific information. See id. They were not an order to declassify particular material. Weinsheimer Decl. ¶¶ 4–5. In contrast to the ambiguous Twitter statements at issue in Plaintiffs’ motion, the President has previously clearly declassified and disclosed information when he wished to do so. See, e.g., Letter from White House Counsel Donald McGahn to Representative Devin Nunes (Feb. 2, 2018) (explaining that the President declassified a memorandum and attaching that memorandum to the letter).4
The Department of Justice did not receive any similar directive to declassify the FD-302s at issue in this case. Weinsheimer Decl. ¶¶ 4–5. After the President made those statements on Twitter, DOJ officials conferred with the White House Counsel’s Office and were informed that there was no order requiring declassification or disclosure of any document at issue in this case. Id. “The Department was further informed that the President’s statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification of any particular documents.” Id. ¶ 5. Although in May 2019, the President did delegate declassification authority to the Attorney General, to date, the Attorney General has not exercised that declassification authority to release any of the redacted material in this case based on the President’s Twitter statements. Id. In sum, the Twitter statements are not an order to declassify any FD-302s, the Department has never received such an order, and the Department subsequently confirmed with the White House Counsel’s Office that there was and is no order to declassify materials at issue in this case based on the Twitter statements. Id. ¶¶ 4–5.
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This post was edited on 9/3/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:01 am to Blizzard of Chizz
I’ve been arguing this from day one with Otto, BamaAtl, moegraph and those other two nubies.
There is nothing to charge Trump on. At worst, it’s a civil matter.
There is nothing to charge Trump on. At worst, it’s a civil matter.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:08 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Trumps lawyers will probably copy pasta this post directly into a pleading and submit to the judge without edits! Brilliant!
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:09 am to cwill
Drumpf fricked up so bad not hiring you, racist bossie or Liberal Hank
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:13 am to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:But, but, but did he declassify the Time Magazine cover or clothing articles they seized? That's where they've surely got him!
Trump declassified all materials related to Russiagate
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:14 am to Decatur
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The Court cannot infer that any such sweeping order exists based on the President’s Twitter statements because they merely suggest that the President “authorized” the “declassification” of unspecified information.
And again back to my point, the courts ruled that Trump (in a case he lost) was conducting official govt business via Twitter. As far as I know, I’m the only person to point this out in relation to the declassification debate. Likewise, the DoJ arguing on the administration’s behalf did not want to turn over those documents to buzzfeed. Their argument against doing so was that Twitter statements didn’t equal policy or directive, but the case I point to disagrees.
Posted on 9/3/22 at 9:19 am to Blizzard of Chizz
The Groomers and Bureaucratic State are in absolute destroy Trump at any cost mode. They’re so arrogant and emboldened they’re getting sloppy and careless. Hopefully their arrogance and stupidity eventually brings them all down
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