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re: Remember that time when the guy who was really into Jesus murdered a bunch of strangers?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:40 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:40 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
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Perhaps you should educate yourself on those organizations because they are completely pagan and are only nominally Christian.
That's a redirect. It's the same as saying, "they're not REALLY a Christian" anytime some one brings up a counter point.
I mean, is that going to be the go to for the entire conversation? "The Ulsters... they weren't REALLY Protestants."
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:43 am to skrayper
Or it could just be a clear case of people adopting the pagan beliefs and rituals of their ancestor’s religions and incorporating it into the religion of their former conquerors/people’s they were tributaries to.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:44 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
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Or it could just be a clear case of people adopting the pagan beliefs and rituals of their ancestor’s religions and incorporating it into the religion of their former conquerors/people’s they were tributaries to.
Like Christmas trees and Easter bunnies?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:46 am to DuncanIdaho
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Oh, poor christian victims
You do know the muslims aren't going to differentiate between the religious and the secular if their brand of islam is allowed to flourish, right?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:49 am to skrayper
Indeed, except Christians call those out for being pagan and do not claim them to be an actual part of Christianity.
In any case the comparison ultimately fails because christian theology based on their holy book says to love thy neighbor whereas in Islam’s killing infadels is perfectly fine and conquest of infadel lands is perfectly fine.
You can accuse me of no true Scotsman, but at the end of the day, the religions as they are defined by their only acceptable source are diametrically opposed when it comes to murder and violence in the name of god. It is plain as day.
In any case the comparison ultimately fails because christian theology based on their holy book says to love thy neighbor whereas in Islam’s killing infadels is perfectly fine and conquest of infadel lands is perfectly fine.
You can accuse me of no true Scotsman, but at the end of the day, the religions as they are defined by their only acceptable source are diametrically opposed when it comes to murder and violence in the name of god. It is plain as day.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:54 am to PuddinPopPharmacist
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In any case the comparison ultimately fails because christian theology based on their holy book says to love thy neighbor whereas in Islam’s killing infadels is perfectly fine and conquest of infadel lands is perfectly fine.
True, but "love thy neighbor" isn't limited to "don't shoot them in the face". This is a bit divergent, and I apologize, but people do tend to play "only my favorite parts" from the Bible without sticking to the entirety of the good book.
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You can accuse me of no true Scotsman, but at the end of the day, the religions as they are defined by their only acceptable source are diametrically opposed when it comes to murder and violence in the name of god. It is plain as day.
What's more important, the book they're reading or the actions taken by their faithful? Actions should speak louder than words.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:56 am to wmr
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:00 am to FightnBobLafollette
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Eric Rudolph says hello.
Rudolph's statement of why he placed the bomb:
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In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is to promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games—even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested.
Funny. I don't see any appeal to Christianity as the reason for the bomb in there...
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 9:00 am
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:00 am to skrayper
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Or do you mean THE Communists, like the ones who were the most influential?
I don't know, how about THE communists that I named? Were Stalin and Pol Pot atheists? I can go on if you'd like, as there were mass killings by communist regimes in China, Vietnam, North Korea, Romania, Bulgaria, East Germany, and elsewhere.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:04 am to DuncanIdaho
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Oh, poor christian victims
LINK
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Last year—2014—will go down in history as having the highest level of global persecution of Christians in the modern era. The worst thing, though, is conditions suggest this is only going to worsen around the world in many areas where Christians face a lot of persecution.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:15 am to Bass Tiger
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That crucial caveat is always omitted by the anti Christian faction of society.
If I recall correctly, the crusades primary objective was to drive out the Moors in southern Spain and to take the Holy Lands. One was a response to islamic aggression, the other a request from Pope Urban II, which had little to do with any islamic aggression.
Besides, its not quite as simple as that. For example the Byzantines hired Turkish Scythian (muslim) mercenaries to do their fighting for them in the Holy Land during the crusades. This wasn't an entirely black and white event as some would believe.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:26 am to wmr
Jim Jones has some koolaide for you my thirsty friend.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:36 am to Capital Cajun
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Ever heard of “The Crusades”? They were only 700+ years ago.
And somebody didn't think about who was the opposing side for those Crusades? A little embarrassing, no?
Look up Saladin, he's in all the best encyclopedias
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:42 am to HeadLightBanDit
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Jim Jones has some koolaide for you my thirsty friend.
LOL. You know Jim Jones was a committed Marxist/communist, correct? Communism was the ideology of Jonestown, or do you only know enough to spout the koolaide phrase?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:46 am to Chimlim
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No one has claimed Christianity to be a perfect religion.
I will. Christians are certainly flawed but nothing about the word of God is.
The problem with comparing Islam is that the left loves to attribute the dictations and commandments of Jesus to Islam, when they are not really there. Islam doesnt preach to turn the other cheek, love your enemies and pray for them. Radical Christians live virtuous lives and look out for others more than theirselves. Radical muslims kill innocent people
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:53 am to UGATiger26
Very close.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:53 am to Jimbeaux
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Last year—2014—will go down in history as having the highest level of global persecution of Christians in the modern era. The worst thing, though, is conditions suggest this is only going to worsen around the world in many areas where Christians face a lot of persecution.
Christians really do face persecution is places like Syria, Egypt, and other ME countries. Those people have worshiped the true God in those lands for almost a thousand years and have suffered under ottoman rule and under various Arab states for just as long. However, just suggest we take any Christian refugees in who would likely assimilate peacefully, and watch the nuclear meltdowns from the left.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:58 am to wmr
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Remember that time when the guy who was really into Jesus murdered a bunch of strangers
Oh...you mean these guys?
KKK kills 3 Civil Rights voters
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:59 am to bamafan1001
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I will.
There is where I'd disagree. Religion, regardless of it's brand, is a construct of man, and therefore deeply flawed.
The only thing perfect in Christianity is God himself, and Jesus, His son.
Faith in God, Jesus, and our pitiful understanding of His word, is as close as we can get to perfection, in my opinion.
Religion, steeped in church doctrine depending on your particular brand is a far cry from that, as far as I'm concerned. I am a believer, and as faithful as I can be, but I won't let someone call me religious.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:00 am to MrBiriwa
You idiot. Those aren't Christians. You think they are going to heaven based on Christian ideology?
You don't have to be dishonest to debate. In fact, it's discouraged.
You don't have to be dishonest to debate. In fact, it's discouraged.
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