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re: Religious Discrimination- Vaccine Related
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:07 pm to SportsmanParadise
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:07 pm to SportsmanParadise
Didn’t you mention you’ve spoken with a few lawyers already? Being as these things are so fact-intensive, I’d return to doing that instead of airing it out on a message board. You’re not going to get any usable advice here other than speak to employment lawyers and see what they have to say.
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:16 pm to Wallace Ritchie
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Tell them you are getting a lawyer unless they give you 6 months. It will cost them that much in legal fees even if they win. I’d make them feel the pain just for fun at this point.
Not only that, but they’d also have to pay out unemployment.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:30 pm to SportsmanParadise
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This week I was terminated from my employer of 6.5 years due to not getting the vaccine. I have always had great performance reviews and have never been insubordinate. I submitted a religious exemption in which they did not even deny it, just simply outright terminated me. I was offered a severance of 14 weeks. What would you do? Accept or try to fight with a religious discrimination case/EEOC complaint? Anyone know of anyone in a similar predicament and currently pursuing litigation over such a matter?
Remember what happened on the day the SC struck down Biden’s unconstitutional vaccine mandate? Biden went on national television and nearly begged US corporations to implement his unconstitutional vaccine mandate at the corporate level. My guess is your company has government contracts and wants to keep them. Your company was bullied by a frail and marginally functional geriatric president and they caved.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 6:32 pm to SportsmanParadise
Lawsuit.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:34 pm to Diamondawg
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Did he mention whether he was Church of Christ, Christian Science, Amash, some Dutch Reformed Churches or Fundamentalist Muslim?
From EEOC:
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The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:13 pm to Diamondawg
Oh, so it was your mission trip. What does your vaccination choices and mission trip have to do with OP?
Hint: now I'm being adversarial.
Hint: now I'm being adversarial.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
Don't know. Don't even care anymore. Carry on.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:49 pm to Cowboyfan89
Okay so I will ask what about being Catholic prevents you from getting the shot.
If your working in Louisiana and your workplace is 97% vaccinated then obviously a fair majority of those workers are Catholic. So why were they willing or able to get the shot?
I will admit I am not going to be very sympathetic I am usually Pro-Business/Anti-worker 99% of the time.
You have already stated that you had to opt out of two events. As an employer I expect you to be able to do your job.
If your working in Louisiana and your workplace is 97% vaccinated then obviously a fair majority of those workers are Catholic. So why were they willing or able to get the shot?
I will admit I am not going to be very sympathetic I am usually Pro-Business/Anti-worker 99% of the time.
You have already stated that you had to opt out of two events. As an employer I expect you to be able to do your job.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:16 pm to tigerterrace
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If your working in Louisiana and your workplace is 97% vaccinated then obviously a fair majority of those workers are Catholic. So why were they willing or able to get the shot?
Just because a fair majority are Catholic doesn't mean anything. How many of those people are Catholic in name only? Or "Cafeteria Catholics" as the name goes?
Believe it or not, alot of people were just flat out scared of this stuff. I know some pretty devout Catholics that didn't want to be around anyone and had their kids begging to be vaccinated.
There's also alot of people that will just bend the knee and do whatever they are told instead of standing up for what they believe. If this Pandemic has shown us anything, it's that.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:32 pm to tigerterrace
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You have already stated that you had to opt out of two events. As an employer I expect you to be able to do your job.
I understood it as he's had to opt out because of the employer mandate. This is self inflicted on the part of the employer.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:57 pm to jcaz
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Religious Discrimination- Vaccine Related by jcaz
I would take the severance and pursue a new career. I would not want to work for a company that forces this crap on its people. Who knows what they would require next for you to keep your job?
This exactly. I got the offer letter for my new job today. Coincidentally, the same day that my current employer told me they want me to manage a new linear infrastructure group because I'm working on the biggest capital projects we have currently and killing it.
Sorry soon to be old employer, I haven't forgotten that in November you threatened my job and then refused to give me an answer on my exemption. I also haven't forgotten that 3 days before I was to be fired on December 26th, you realized you couldn't fire thousands of employees who called your bluff, and backed off.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:31 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Believe it or not, alot of people were just flat out scared of this stuff. I know some pretty devout Catholics that didn't want to be around anyone and had their kids begging to be vaccinated.
What about being Catholic causes you to not want it?
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:35 pm to moneyg
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I understood it as he's had to opt out because of the employer mandate. This is self inflicted on the part of the employer.
Right the employer has the right to say if I need you to travel then you have to be vaccinated. He was not, so he could not perform his duties that they would like him to attend.
If part of your job each year is travelling on sales calls and the employer cannot use you because you refuse the vaccine then you are No good to him.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:57 pm to tigerterrace
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Right the employer has the right to say if I need you to travel then you have to be vaccinated. He was not, so he could not perform his duties that they would like him to attend.
If part of your job each year is travelling on sales calls and the employer cannot use you because you refuse the vaccine then you are No good to him.
But the requirement to be vaxxed was created arbitrarily by the employer. There was no legal requirement for him to vax to travel. He could only not perform that portion of his job duties because of a condition the employer imposed. He could have reasonably performed his job duties with accommodation (i.e., waiver of their own vax requirement).
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:19 pm to Cards Suck
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But the requirement to be vaxxed was created arbitrarily by the employer.
The employer also had a sincerely held belief.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:26 am to tigerterrace
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What about being Catholic causes you to not want it?
You're asking the wrong person. I'm not the OP.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:31 am to tigerterrace
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If part of your job each year is travelling on sales calls and the employer cannot use you because you refuse the vaccine then you are No good to him.
That depends--are the clients/buyers requiring the vaccination? What is stopping him from traveling? If there is nothing but the employer's policy, then it's self-inflicted.
At the end of the day, anyone holding to a foolish vaccine requirement and seemingly failing to address a religious accomodation request after omicron isn't worth working for. They've clearly demonstrated that a) science is irrelevant to them; b) they won't even listen to the people that have pushed this stuff saying the vaccine doesn't do anything; and c) they don't give a shite about their employees rights.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 4:33 am
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:53 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Religious Accomodations/Exemptions are not based on what a particular religion teaches.
Wut?
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It's the personal beliefs of the individual that are relevant.
No, that’s a philosophical exemption.
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Just because the leaders of an organized religion say something is OK, doesn't mean the individual agrees.
That’s pretty much all religion is, actually.
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The Catholic Church says it's OK because it's for the benefit of society. Someone could disagree with that, or feel more strongly about the aborted fetal cells issue.
I feel more strongly about priests diddling little boys.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:58 pm to tigerterrace
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What about being Catholic causes you to not want it?
The part where TD told him not to want it after the election was stolen with zero evidence left behind.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:33 am to SportsmanParadise
Would you update the OP to add the text of the exemption you submitted. When writing those, you have to keep it as general as possible and make no definitive statements. Hopefully, you did not say you were Catholic, too, because then they can use the stances of the Pope against you.
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